It should be great if on MRC will have a box to put a MSX ringtone and send it to mobile.
Maybe it could be possible if you ask to some provider who gives you the tecnology, more or less what happens with sms ("free sms but with sponsor".

Btw, in a few days I'll send you some ringtones: this is a project of Freesoft MSX Magazine, started one year ago. We have Knightmare, PacMan, Ys, Vampire Killer, Metal Gear 2, etc... But I suppose that no one has tested them on a real mobile (tested only with Nokring and other tools on PC).

For one thing, I'm glad MSX Resource Center has no sponsored links on any of the pages apart from the Donation button get the site going and being able to help the MSX community in so many ways.

I do like the idea of setting up an MSX ringtone service like you suggested though. I just wouldn't like to see a banner of the site providing the service for MRC. Except for MSX related banners of course.

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Saab_rider, isn't F1 spirit , goonies and yie ar kungfu 1 already done ?? Roadfighter has almost no music but can be done offcourse. What do you think about those spectrum zx like tunes ?? (rambo III, int. karate ect ect)

Sorry for not replying for quite some time! Shaiwa, I haven't played MSX games for a long time, I once deleted a 100 gb hard disk by mistake and lost a LOT of stuff! Now I redownloaded most of the great MSX games, and I'm trying to figure out what bgm would be good for ring tones.

You're right, those games were done before. Road Fighter doesn't have bgm, but it has the intro music which starts after you start the game. Very short, but still cool.

I haven't tried the other games you mentioned, but I'm sure they'd be great. Did you ever play "Thexder"? It has great music too!

Can you tell me what programs you're using to extract the music? and what emulator are you using? Thanks again! hope you reply since it's been a while already!




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No problem Saab_rider,

I'm using nlmsx, paramsx, fmsx-dos, and some more but i prefer a real msx.
You can use fmsx-dos & paramsx to extract some music.
When midi is made i use psmplayer to convert it to mld format (imode ringtone format)

For midi tools i use :
Cakewalk 9
Musicmaker studio 2000
Akoff music composer.


Did you hear the scc version of roadfighter ?? i think its nice.
Its a long time since i've played Thexder, you can find re-arranged game midi's
of this game on the net.

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No problem Saab_rider

Thanks Shaiwa 8)

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i prefer a real msx.

My MSX was damaged by connecting it to the wrong voltage! And don't even know if it's still around! It should be fixable, and I should do something about it!

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You can use fmsx-dos & paramsx to extract some music

Is the music extracted as midi files, or other music formats?

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Did you hear the scc version of roadfighter ??

Are you talking about the roadfighter in Konami's Game Collection Special? I played it, and to me it sounds very similar to the original version.




saa[b_r]ider

Somebody should write a converter, to convert part of a music string in msx basic files (eg. psg play and fmpac play commands) to Nokia ringtones.

I wonder if this is possible. We have those polyphonic phones nowadays.

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Is the music extracted as midi files, or other music formats?

Fmsx makes a dump in psg format and paramsx can dump to a wav file.
Within the paramsx control box you can select the psg and/or scc channels,
or you can do than with keyboard shortcuts.

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Are you talking about the roadfighter in Konami's Game Collection Special? I played it, and to me it sounds very similar to the original version.

Yes, i'm talking about that version. The sound is the same but now its also over the scc
channels. When i've got some time i will try to make a midi from it.
(don't know if i can make a midi just sound like the real thing)

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Somebody should write a converter, to convert part of a music string in msx basic files (eg. psg play and fmpac play commands) to Nokia ringtones. I wonder if this is possible. We have those polyphonic phones nowadays.

I think you can find an fmpac basic to midi converter on the funet site
(i've seen it once somewhere). Then you can use a midi to ringtone converter.

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Fmsx makes a dump in psg format and paramsx can dump to a wav file. Within the paramsx control box you can select the psg and/or scc channels, or you can do than with keyboard shortcuts.

Hi again Shaiwa!

After you get fmsx to dump the psg file, or paramsx to dum the wav file, how do you convert it to midi?




saa[b_r]ider

IIRC fMSX and RuMSX support routing the PSG/FM-PAC output to a MIDI device. All you have to do is get a MIDI-Sequencer and push the record button

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IIRC fMSX and RuMSX support routing the PSG/FM-PAC output to a MIDI device. All you have to do is get a MIDI-Sequencer and push the record button

Thanks snout, I'll try it out! Would you recommend a certin midi sequencer?




saa[b_r]ider

I'm using the dos version of fmsx Snout. I've never found a way to record the fmsx dos
fm output to a midi. With the registerd windows version i can be done.

Use hubi's virual loopback cable. I'm using cakewalk pro 9 for re-arraging,
but i use a real keyboard for recording.
Magix music studio v2000 seems to be verry easy for hardisk recording but
i never used it for midi.

I got my Nokia 6100 phone this week. (It only costed me 59 euro and a contract renewal with T-Mobile).

After obtaining the Nokia data cable (a wooping 69 euros!) and installing the cable driver and Nokia PC suite I went on trying to get some midi files in the phone.


The Nokia pc suite indeed contains a program to convert standard midi files to polyphonic ringtones and upload them, but just plain converting them doesn't work most of the time.

If the midi file has to much empty tracks or it is too big, the file just won't play after uploading to the phone.

The same counts for midi files with a lot of channel data (e.g. substain, velocity etc)

I searched for a freeware midi editor, and after trying some I found this one that does the trick: Jazzware Midi Sequencer

It has build for windows 95, windows NT and Linux. If you are using Windows 2000 or XP, use the NT build. It works.

I tried a lot of midi files with this programs. The trick is that you need a midi file that also sounds good if you play it through the Microsoft software synthesizer. If it only sounds good on your soundblaster Live or on your external midi device, forget it. If the midi file contains a lot of different tracks filles with midi data (10 or more) it's also gonna be difficult to make that sound good on your 4 channel polyphonic phone.

If you manage to find a good midi file, open it in the Jazzware Sequencer. Try finding the repeating patterns in the editor. Copy and paste your favorite pattern in a new file.
Make sure the tempo is ok. You can click on the tempo button in the top left pane to re-adjust it.

Save your new file. Open it in the Nokia Sound Converter ( part of the Nokia PC suite).

Choose "Advanced Conversion". Now you can shuffle the midi channels up and down and give them Polyphonic channel numbers. You can select more than 4 midi tracks, the nokia program will mix those together (sounds familiar? . The trick is here to mix those channels that has instruments and note data wich doesn't play at the same time.
(This way I managed to cram in 8 midi tracks for my Space Manbow ringtone).

Just keep on trying with shuffling those tracks. Eventually some good comes out. Or not, but then you didn't start off with the right midi file

Don't forget to save your converted midi file between shuffling, each time you think it sounds nice. Sometimes I shuffled to much, and didn't remember the steps I did before. Time killers!

Use the same Nokia program to upload them to your phone.

After toying around for a few hours, I managed to get some nice ringtones:
F1 Spirit, in stage.
Space Manbow, first stage.
Metal Gear 1, Outside the buildings.
Salamander, first stage.
Twinbee, first stage.

Most of them sound awsome!

I will put them online here, or somewhere else if there are people interested.

msx.org has a extensive midi collection, but that part of our site is in beta testing, because the internal midi replayer doesn't work yet. If there are enough people who want access to those files, I can ask Snout to make it so.

In the meantime, use google. Another good starting place is the Japanese website of HIGUCHI, a former msx user who did an excellent job on some midi tracks with msx tunes. It's located here:

http://www2b.biglobe.ne.jp/~mbx/midi_library.html

Please note that you need his permission if you want to redistribute his files. msx.org has permission.

Thanks for the GREAT input Sander! I know what you're talking about, cause I've used Nokia's PC Suite too! I'd be interested in listening to the files you've created. If I have free time, I'll even look into that program you recommended. The link you sent is also great! But one comment though. Why didn't you simply get a USB Ir port insted of buying the data cable? I'm sure it's much cheaper. I know it's a pain to keep the phone next to the Ir port and activate the phone's Ir etc... But this way I don't have to buy a different cable everytime I change my phone Let us know if you'll post the ring tones!




saa[b_r]ider

Bah, with all these kinds of utilities and upload programs, where has the ART gone? ^^;

Signed, a manual ringtone input specialist

GuyveR800, the tools are there to make your life easier.
It's to the creator to make it a piece of art... not just convert the thing
and put it on the web.

It took me almost 2 hours to make the kings_valley midi almost sound like the real one
but it could be done within 5 minutes without any editing re-arranging and other strange
things.

You can check it out. Do a -logsnd with fmsx-dos, after that use psg2mid to create a
midi..... doesnt sound like my midi ! look at the file size, much bigger is'nt it.
Ok,... try to re-arrange the midi file.... well that isn't as easy as it seems like.

Any way, i didn't use fmsx to create that midi tough.