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the winner and the finalists of the poll should be well-known games, despite some unknown games can be better... "the best MSX2 game ever" can't be an strange japanase RPG or something like that. Best game should be a konami, microcabin or compile "classic". (this is only mi opinion... )

Well, we probably all already know the result, no ?
It will be Metal Gear II or one of the Snatcher games

I can be wrong, of course...

Kris

We have to wait and see how things will end up with this poll. I do think 'amateur' games have equal chance of winning this poll in the end as 'professional' games.

I don't think so BiFi... think about most people will vote known games and will not vote for unknown games.... if I have to vote Metal Gear 2: Solid snake - Saziri, this one don't have any opportunity and so on...

Or it's just because the known games can be downloaded in several places on the net, people try them out and vote accordingly. Many people know Pumpkin Adventure 3. What if it would be something like Bubble Bobble vs. Pumpkin Adventure 3 (PA3 for short)? It wouldn't surprise me many people would vote PA3 over Bubble Bobble. And face it, PA3 is considered an amateur game, with a very high quality of everything (gfx, music, gameplay, story).

I do admit Solid Snake would outvote Saziri with great difference. The randomizer decides which games to put together. I'm sure we could make even more interresting challenges doing this manually, but nobody would volunteer doing that within a certain time limit or time of day. So the randomizer would have to do.

agree... but the randomizer only will do the first "cut", finally i'm thinking all "semifinalist" and "finalist" games will be well-known games due to the "unknowing" about the others...

my feeling is...

known game vs known game -> known game wins (obviously )
known game vs unknown game -> known game wins
unknown game vs known game -> known game wins
unknown game vs unknown game -> unknown game wins

3:1... without attending quality of the game

3-0 Pentaro Odyssey - Nyanpi (Nuan puzzle)
3-0 Aleste 2 - Family Billiard
3-0 Defcon - Pentius
0-3 Solitaire royal - Chuka taisen
1-2 Usas - Psycho world
0-3 Don't cock it up - Penguin-kun wars 2
1-2 Playball 3 - Kings Valley 2
0-3 Perfect sokoban - Hydlide
1-2 Match maniac - Androgynus
1-2 Guru Logic - Randar 2
0-3 Pennant race 2 - Pumpkin adventure 3
2-1 Daiva - Palmedes
0-3 Gunship - Ikari warriors
3-0 Bebopbout - Butaporc
0-3 Musical memory - Nuts
2-1 Herzog - Gorby's pipeline
0-3 Thunderbirds are go - Cat 'n mouse
3-0 Star Ship Rendez-vous - Zoo
1-2 Predator - L'affaire
2-1 YS 2 (Final chapter) - Hamaradja night
2-1 Magnar - KPI Ball
2-1 Firehawk (Thexder 2) - Xak 3 (Tower of Gazzel)
2-1 Space manbow - Rune master 2
3-0 Goody - Veldslag
3-0 Higemaru - Diablo
0-3 Gramcats - Contra (Gryzor)
1-2 Crimson 1 - Nyancle race
3-0 Crimson 2 - Vectron
0-3 Racing cars - Xak 2
1-2 Ashguine 3 (Micro Cabin) - Burai 2
3-0 Cytron - Hyper somen
1-2 Trojka - Quinpl
2-1 D.A.S.S. - Big Strategy
1-2 Famicle Parodic 2 - Randar 3
1-2 Arcus 1 - Not Again!
1-2 Bozo's big adventure - Fireball
0-3 Yaksa - Lost world
0-3 The ATP - King kong 2
0-3 Ruby & Jade - Fantasm Soldier 2 (Valis II)
3-0 Witch revenge - Rune master
1-2 Shenan dragon - Scramble formation
1-2 Rastan saga - Eggbert
3-0 Famicle Parodic - Construction craze
3-0 Mr Ghost - Bomberman (Paragon)
0-3 Majutsushi - Blade lords
3-0 Super tritorn - Darwin 4078
2-1 Pushem - Gal-quest 2
1-2 Retaliator - Tetris
1-2 Bastard - Snatcher
2-1 Pixess - Grandhara
3-0 Troxx - Red lights of Amsterdam
0-3 Ganbare Goemon (Samurai) - Arc
3-0 Sorcerian - Pennant race 1
0-3 Ago board - Strategic Mars
0-3 Urusei Yatsura - Xak 1
2-1 Dragon Slayer 4 (Drasle family) - Hydlide 3
1-2 Aleste 1 - Fray
2-1 SD Snatcher - Dixdaef [Stupid randomizer.]
0-3 Outrun (MSX2 version) - Puyo puyo
2-1 Monmon monster - Shanghai II
2-1 Hydefos - Final bout
3-0 Bomberman 2 (Paragon) - Zynos on adventure island
2-1 Feedback - Komkommerhakken [still don't know how good komkommerhakken really is !]
2-1 Metal Gear 2: Solid snake - Saziri
3-0 Black cyclon - Tower of Cabin
3-0 Rune master 3 - F1 (Namco)
3-0 Firebird (Hinotori) - Hole in one special
2-1 Ginden 2 - La Abadia del Crimen (MSX2 remake)
0-3 Blue warrior - Ducktales
0-3 1942 - Princess maker
1-2 RADX-8 - Golvellius 2
3-0 Vampire killer - Heaven
1-2 Teachers terror - Big Strategy 2 [again the randomizer chooses 2 favorites.]
3-0 Psycho world - Wizardry
3-0 Akanbe dragon - Brisk
0-3 Find it - Arcus 2
2-1 Pacmania - Kyokugen
3-0 Final Fantasy - Super runner
0-3 World golf - Arkanoid 2 (Revenge of Doh)
3-0 Leprechaun - Title memory
1-2 Pentaro Odyssey 2 - Columns
0-3 War of the dead - Bet your life
2-1 Laydock - DIOS
3-0 Greatest driver - Blokslag
3-0 Dragon Slayer 6 (Legend of heroes) - Gandhara
2-1 Aleste gaiden (Aleste special) - Crimson 3
2-1 Super Shanghai dragons - Rambo super special
0-3 Moscow 2024 - Niko2
0-3 Green crystal - Ashguine 2 (T&E)
3-0 Shrines of Enigma - Family boxing
0-3 Vampires and she vampires - Fighters ragnarok
3-0 Replican - Final countdown
0-3 Super cook - Akin
0-3 Guido's lost in Plantinus - Bubble bobble
0-3 Bubbles - Undeadline
3-0 Gianna sisters - Bedroom Olympics
2-1 TNT - Emerald dragon
3-0 Sir dan - Randar 1
0-3 Aura battler dubine - YS (Ancient YS Vanished Omen)
0-3 Xevious - Burai
0-3 Ashguine 1 (Panasoft, Bit2/Matsushita) - Frantic
2-1 Bubble rain - DIX
3-0 War of death 2 - Exor
2-1 Nosh - Rune worth
3-0 Metal Gear - Breaker
0-3 Zeeslag - YS 3 (Wanderers of YS)
0-3 Quarth - Pumpkin adventure 2

1-2 Pentaro Odyssey - Nyanpi (Nuan puzzle)
3-0 Aleste 2 - Family Billiard
0-3 Defcon - Pentius
2-1 Solitaire royal - Chuka taisen
2-1 Usas - Psycho world
0-3 Don't cock it up - Penguin-kun wars 2
1-2 Playball 3 - Kings Valley 2
2-1 Perfect sokoban - Hydlide
3-0 Match maniac - Androgynus
1-2 Guru Logic - Randar 2
0-3 Pennant race 2 - Pumpkin adventure 3
2-1 Daiva - Palmedes
1-2 Gunship - Ikari warriors
2-1 Bebopbout - Butaporc
1-2 Musical memory - Nuts
1-2 Herzog - Gorby's pipeline
0-3 Thunderbirds are go - Cat 'n mouse
3-0 Star Ship Rendez-vous - Zoo
3-0 Predator - L'affaire
2-1 YS 2 (Final chapter) - Hamaradja night
3-0 Magnar - KPI Ball
1-2 Firehawk (Thexder 2) - Xak 3 (Tower of Gazzel)
2-1 Space manbow - Rune master 2
2-1 Goody - Veldslag
3-0 Higemaru - Diablo
1-2 Gramcats - Contra (Gryzor)
1-2 Crimson 1 - Nyancle race
2-1 Crimson 2 - Vectron
0-3 Racing cars - Xak 2
0-3 Ashguine 3 (Micro Cabin) - Burai 2
2-1 Cytron - Hyper somen
2-1 Trojka - Quinpl
2-1 D.A.S.S. - Big Strategy
1-2 Famicle Parodic 2 - Randar 3
1-2 Arcus 1 - Not Again!
1-2 Bozo's big adventure - Fireball
0-3 Yaksa - Lost world
1-2 The ATP - King kong 2
0-3 Ruby & Jade - Fantasm Soldier 2 (Valis II)3-0
3-0 Witch revenge - Rune master
2-1 Shenan dragon - Scramble formation
1-2 Rastan saga - Eggbert
2-1 Famicle Parodic - Construction craze
3-0 Mr Ghost - Bomberman (Paragon)
0-3 Majutsushi - Blade lords
3-0 Super tritorn - Darwin 4078
3-0 Pushem - Gal-quest 2
0-3 Retaliator - Tetris
0-3Bastard - Snatcher
2-1 Pixess - Grandhara
3-0 Troxx - Red lights of Amsterdam
2-1 Ganbare Goemon (Samurai) - Arc
2-1 Sorcerian - Pennant race 1
0-3 Ago board - Strategic Mars
0-3 Urusei Yatsura - Xak 1
2-1 Dragon Slayer 4 (Drasle family) - Hydlide 3
1-2 Aleste 1 - Fray
2-1 SD Snatcher - Dixdaef
0-3 Outrun (MSX2 version) - Puyo puyo
2-1 Monmon monster - Shanghai II
2-1Hydefos - Final bout
3-0 Bomberman 2 (Paragon) - Zynos on adventure island
3-0 Feedback - Komkommerhakken
3-0 Metal Gear 2: Solid snake - Saziri
2-1 Black cyclon - Tower of Cabin
3-0 Rune master 3 - F1 (Namco)
2-1 Firebird (Hinotori) - Hole in one special
3-0 Ginden 2 - La Abadia del Crimen (MSX2 remake)
2-1 Blue warrior - Ducktales
0-3 1942 - Princess maker
0-3 RADX-8 - Golvellius 2
3-0 Vampire killer - Heaven
1-2 Teachers terror - Big Strategy 2
3-0 Psycho world - Wizardry
3-0 Akanbe dragon - Brisk
1-2 Find it - Arcus 2
2-1 Pacmania - Kyokugen
3-0 Final Fantasy - Super runner
0-3 World golf - Arkanoid 2 (Revenge of Doh)
0-3 Leprechaun - Title memory
1-2 Pentaro Odyssey 2 - Columns
0-3 War of the dead - Bet your life
2-1 Laydock - DIOS
2-1 Greatest driver - Blokslag
3-0 Dragon Slayer 6 (Legend of heroes) - Gandhara
1-2 Aleste gaiden (Aleste special) - Crimson 3
3-0 Super Shanghai dragons - Rambo super special
0-3 Moscow 2024 - Niko2
2-1 Green crystal - Ashguine 2 (T&E)
2-1 Shrines of Enigma - Family boxing
1-2 Vampires and she vampires - Fighters ragnarok
3-0 Replican - Final countdown
1-2 Super cook - Akin
0-3 Guido's lost in Plantinus - Bubble bobble
0-3 Bubbles - Undeadline
3-0 Gianna sisters - Bedroom Olympics
0-3 TNT - Emerald dragon
1-2 Sir dan - Randar 1
1-2 Anna battler dubine - YS (Ancient YS Vanished Omen)
0-3 Xevious - Burai
0-3 Ashguine 1 (Panasoft, Bit2/Matsushita) - Frantic
1-2 Bubble rain - DIX
0-3 War of death 2 - Exor
0-3 Nosh - Rune worth
2-1 Metal Gear - Breaker
0-3 Zeeslag - YS 3 (Wanderers of YS)
2-1 Quarth - Pumpkin adventure 2

Known games have more chances of course, and I hope that people will vote not quality but playability (for me it is even more important).

Personally I will vote Aleste2 because I spent so many hours with it...

1-2 Pentaro Odyssey - Nyanpi (Nuan puzzle)
3-0 Aleste 2 - Family Billiard
2-1 Defcon - Pentius
3-0 Solitaire royal - Chuka taisen
2-1 Usas - Psycho world (THIS AIN'T FAIR! Two of my fav games! )
0-3 Don't cock it up - Penguin-kun wars 2
0-3 Playball 3 - Kings Valley 2
1-2 Perfect sokoban - Hydlide
2-1 Match maniac - Androgynus
1-2 Guru Logic - Randar 2
0-3 Pennant race 2 - Pumpkin adventure 3
3-0 Daiva - Palmedes
2-1 Gunship - Ikari warriors
2-1 Bebopbout - Butaporc
2-1 Musical memory - Nuts
1-2 Herzog - Gorby's pipeline
2-1 Thunderbirds are go - Cat 'n mouse
3-0 Star Ship Rendez-vous - Zoo
0-3 Predator - L'affaire
3-0 YS 2 (Final chapter) - Hamaradja night
3-0 Magnar - KPI Ball
1-2 Firehawk (Thexder 2) - Xak 3 (Tower of Gazzel) (It must be fate )
2-1 Space manbow - Rune master 2
2-1 Goody - Veldslag
2-1 Higemaru - Diablo
1-2 Gramcats - Contra (Gryzor)
1-2 Crimson 1 - Nyancle race
1-2 Crimson 2 - Vectron
0-3 Racing cars - Xak 2
2-1 Ashguine 3 (Micro Cabin) - Burai 2
1-2 Cytron - Hyper somen
3-0 Trojka - Quinpl
1-2 D.A.S.S. - Big Strategy
2-1 Famicle Parodic 2 - Randar 3
1-2 Arcus 1 - Not Again!
1-2 Bozo's big adventure - Fireball
0-3 Yaksa - Lost world
0-3 The ATP - King kong 2
0-3 Ruby & Jade - Fantasm Soldier 2 (Valis II)
2-1 Witch revenge - Rune master
1-2 Shenan dragon - Scramble formation
0-3 Rastan saga - Eggbert
3-0 Famicle Parodic - Construction craze
3-0 Mr Ghost - Bomberman (Paragon)
0-3 Majutsushi - Blade lords
1-2 Super tritorn - Darwin 4078
2-1 Pushem - Gal-quest 2
0-3 Retaliator - Tetris
1-2 Bastard - Snatcher
3-0 Pixess - Grandhara
3-0 Troxx - Red lights of Amsterdam
2-1 Ganbare Goemon (Samurai) - Arc
2-1 Sorcerian - Pennant race 1
0-3 Ago board - Strategic Mars
0-3 Urusei Yatsura - Xak 1
3-0 Dragon Slayer 4 (Drasle family) - Hydlide 3
1-2 Aleste 1 - Fray
2-1 SD Snatcher - Dixdaef
0-3 Outrun (MSX2 version) - Puyo puyo
3-0 Monmon monster - Shanghai II
3-0 Hydefos - Final bout
1-2 Bomberman 2 (Paragon) - Zynos on adventure island
3-0 Feedback - Komkommerhakken
2-1 Metal Gear 2: Solid snake - Saziri
1-2 Black cyclon - Tower of Cabin
3-0 Rune master 3 - F1 (Namco)
3-0 Firebird (Hinotori) - Hole in one special
2-1 Ginden 2 - La Abadia del Crimen (MSX2 remake)
1-2 Blue warrior - Ducktales
0-3 1942 - Princess maker
1-2 RADX-8 - Golvellius 2
2-1 Vampire killer - Heaven
0-3 Teachers terror - Big Strategy 2
3-0 Psycho world - Wizardry
1-2 Akanbe dragon - Brisk
2-1 Find it - Arcus 2
3-0 Pacmania - Kyokugen
3-0 Final Fantasy - Super runner
0-3 World golf - Arkanoid 2 (Revenge of Doh)
3-0 Leprechaun - Title memory
0-3 Pentaro Odyssey 2 - Columns
2-1 War of the dead - Bet your life
1-2 Laydock - DIOS
2-1 Greatest driver - Blokslag
3-0 Dragon Slayer 6 (Legend of heroes) - Gandhara
2-1 Aleste gaiden (Aleste special) - Crimson 3
2-1 Super Shanghai dragons - Rambo super special
1-2 Moscow 2024 - Niko2
0-3 Green crystal - Ashguine 2 (T&E)
3-0 Shrines of Enigma - Family boxing
0-3 Vampires and she vampires - Fighters ragnarok
3-0 Replican - Final countdown
0-3 Super cook - Akin
0-3 Guido's lost in Plantinus - Bubble bobble
0-3 Bubbles - Undeadline
1-2 Gianna sisters - Bedroom Olympics
1-2 TNT - Emerald dragon
2-1 Sir dan - Randar 1
0-3 Anna battler dubine - YS (Ancient YS Vanished Omen)
0-3 Xevious - Burai
2-1 Ashguine 1 (Panasoft, Bit2/Matsushita) - Frantic
0-3 Bubble rain - DIX
1-2 War of death 2 - Exor
1-2 Nosh - Rune worth
2-1 Metal Gear - Breaker
0-3 Zeeslag - YS 3 (Wanderers of YS)
2-1 Quarth - Pumpkin adventure 2

3 - 0; Pentaro Odyssey - Nyanpi (Nuan puzzle)
2 - 1; Aleste 2 - Family Billiard
2 - 1; Defcon - Pentius
2 - 1; Solitaire royal - Chuka taisen
3 - 0; Usas - Psycho world
1 - 2; Don't cock it up - Penguin-kun wars 2
0 - 3; Playball 3 - Kings Valley 2
1 - 2; Perfect sokoban - Hydlide
1 - 2; Match maniac - Androgynus
1 - 2; Guru Logic - Randar 2
0 - 3; Pennant race 2 - Pumpkin adventure 3
2 - 1; Daiva - Palmedes
0 - 3; Gunship - Ikari warriors
3 - 0; Bebopbout - Butaporc
1 - 2; Musical memory - Nuts
0 - 3; Herzog - Gorby's pipeline
2 - 1; Thunderbirds are go - Cat 'n mouse
0 - 3; Star Ship Rendez-vous - Zoo
1 - 2; Predator - L'affaire
1 - 2; YS 2 (Final chapter) - Hamaradja night
3 - 0; Magnar - KPI Ball
1 - 2; Firehawk (Thexder 2) - Xak 3 (Tower of Gazzel)
3 - 0; Space manbow - Rune master 2
2 - 1; Goody - Veldslag
2 - 1; Higemaru - Diablo
0 - 3; Gramcats - Contra (Gryzor)
1 - 2; Crimson 1 - Nyancle race
0 - 3; Crimson 2 - Vectron
1 - 2; Racing cars - Xak 2
0 - 3; Ashguine 3 (Micro Cabin) - Burai 2
3 - 0; Cytron - Hyper somen
3 - 0; Trojka - Quinpl
2 - 1; D.A.S.S. - Big Strategy
2 - 1; Famicle Parodic 2 - Randar 3
1 - 2; Arcus 1 - Not Again!
2 - 1; Bozo's big adventure - Fireball
2 - 1; Yaksa - Lost world
0 - 3; The ATP - King kong 2
0 - 3; Ruby & Jade - Fantasm Soldier 2 (Valis II)
2 - 1; Witch revenge - Rune master
1 - 2; Shenan dragon - Scramble formation
2 - 1; Rastan saga - Eggbert
1 - 2; Famicle Parodic - Construction craze
1 - 2; Mr Ghost - Bomberman (Paragon)
0 - 3; Majutsushi - Blade lords
3 - 0; Super tritorn - Darwin 4078
2 - 1; Pushem - Gal-quest 2
3 - 0; Retaliator - Tetris
1 - 2; Bastard - Snatcher
2 - 1; Pixess - Grandhara
2 - 1; Troxx - Red lights of Amsterdam
2 - 1; Ganbare Goemon (Samurai) - Arc
0 - 3; Sorcerian - Pennant race 1
1 - 2; Ago board - Strategic Mars
1 - 2; Urusei Yatsura - Xak 1
1 - 2; Dragon Slayer 4 (Drasle family) - Hydlide 3
3 - 0; Aleste 1 - Fray
3 - 0; SD Snatcher - Dixdaef
2 - 1; Outrun (MSX2 version) - Puyo puyo
3 - 0; Monmon monster - Shanghai II
1 - 2; Hydefos - Final bout
2 - 1; Bomberman 2 (Paragon) - Zynos on adventure island
3 - 0; Feedback - Komkommerhakken
3 - 0; Metal Gear 2: Solid snake - Saziri
3 - 0; Black cyclon - Tower of Cabin
1 - 2; Rune master 3 - F1 (Namco)
3 - 0; Firebird (Hinotori) - Hole in one special
1 - 2; Ginden 2 - La Abadia del Crimen (MSX2 remake)
2 - 1; Blue warrior - Ducktales
3 - 0; 1942 - Princess maker
3 - 0; RADX-8 - Golvellius 2
3 - 0; Vampire killer - Heaven
2 - 1; Teachers terror - Big Strategy 2
2 - 1; Psycho world - Wizardry
1 - 2; Akanbe dragon - Brisk
2 - 1; Find it - Arcus 2
2 - 1; Pacmania - Kyokugen
2 - 1; Final Fantasy - Super runner
1 - 2; World golf - Arkanoid 2 (Revenge of Doh)
1 - 2; Leprechaun - Title memory
0 - 3; Pentaro Odyssey 2 - Columns
1 - 2; War of the dead - Bet your life
3 - 0; Laydock - DIOS
2 - 1; Greatest driver - Blokslag
1 - 2; Dragon Slayer 6 (Legend of heroes) - Gandhara
3 - 0; Aleste gaiden (Aleste special) - Crimson 3
1 - 2; Super Shanghai dragons - Rambo super special
1 - 2; Moscow 2024 - Niko2
1 - 2; Green crystal - Ashguine 2 (T&E)
2 - 1; Shrines of Enigma - Family boxing
0 - 3; Vampires and she vampires - Fighters ragnarok
1 - 2; Replican - Final countdown
0 - 3; Super cook - Akin
0 - 3; Guido's lost in Plantinus - Bubble bobble
1 - 2; Bubbles - Undeadline
3 - 0; Gianna sisters - Bedroom Olympics
2 - 1; TNT - Emerald dragon
3 - 0; Sir dan - Randar 1
1 - 2; Anna battler dubine - YS (Ancient YS Vanished Omen)
2 - 1; Xevious - Burai
0 - 3; Ashguine 1 (Panasoft, Bit2/Matsushita) - Frantic
1 - 2; Bubble rain - DIX
3 - 0; War of death 2 - Exor
3 - 0; Nosh - Rune worth
2 - 1; Metal Gear - Breaker
1 - 2; Zeeslag - YS 3 (Wanderers of YS)
3 - 0; Quarth - Pumpkin adventure 2

Ok, your time is up. I'm preparing round 2 as we speak