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Imanok msx addict Berichten: 283 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 11:32   |
That's a question that comes to me often... and unfortunately, more often as time goes by...
What do we really want??
I thing every little project made for MSX is important, but it seems (or at least that's the feeling I get) that people reacts much more with the MSX related projects (emulators, remakes of games and musics for PC) than with the MSX ones.
For example, the Dream On promo was released recently and a few people reacted to it.... I don't understand why, because we don't have new software very often, and I also think this game is really cool... so... is people really interested in new MSX software??
What do you think?
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dlibeert msx user Berichten: 62 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 11:44   |
Maybe this is because a lot of MSX'ers only have emu's (maybe they still have an MSX somewhere, but they are too darn lazy to remove the dust from its cover...)
Seriously, I think you are totally right! It's a strange phenomena...
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snout
 msx legend Berichten: 4991 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 11:52   |
I think it's also because a lot of people take the efforts of MSX developers 'for granted', or at least don't know why it's important to say you really appreciate the efforts.
However, when the developers come to places where people can comment and compliment (Example: Michiel 'Meridian' de Vries in these forums) you often see that people start giving a lot of useful reactions. Sometimes all you have to do is ask for it
I for one really liked the dream-on promo, and would like to see more new MSX Software products in the future. |
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Latok msx master Berichten: 1719 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 12:29   |
Just checked the newsposting and thank god, I did that one  I agree fully, the current MSX scene should all be about complimenting eachother. And about giving useful critisism of course. |
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Imanok msx addict Berichten: 283 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 12:36   |
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| I think it's also because a lot of people take the efforts of MSX developers 'for granted', or at least don't know why it's important to say you really appreciate the efforts.
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But it seems they appreciate much more the effort of remaking a song or doing a wallpaper than the effort of making a game. You only have to take a look at the reactions to the different news on the news archive.
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| However, when the developers come to places where people can comment and compliment (Example: Michiel 'Meridian' de Vries in these forums) you often see that people start giving a lot of useful reactions. Sometimes all you have to do is ask for it
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People should be a little more conscious about it. A programmer shouldn't persecute people to know their opinion.
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| I for one really liked the dream-on promo, and would like to see more new MSX Software products in the future.
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Sure you like it, but ... what about the hundreds of diary visitors?? ... maybe we will know when nobody makes new games for MSX.... |
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FiXato msx freak Berichten: 226 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 12:51   |
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Niles msx professional Berichten: 519 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 13:06   |
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| Maybe this is because a lot of MSX'ers only have emu's (maybe they still have an MSX somewhere, but they are too darn lazy to remove the dust from its cover...
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In my case, it's true that I've a MSX (1) 'somewhere' (on a closet). Sometimes I got the old machine and connect it to the TV, cables, cassete recorder... and play some game but, paraMSX it's much more easy and fast to play the same (I know, it's not the same, well, is almost very very close...)
And I can play to 99% of the games for MSX (probably you will say it is not legal play emu roms if I haven't the original but... as I said on other post, the alternative is not to play anything -deathware?-)
you have to recognize MSX emulation have a lot of advantages today... |
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GuyveR800 msx guru Berichten: 3048 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 13:20   |
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| I thing every little project made for MSX is important, but it seems (or at least that's the feeling I get) that people reacts much more with the MSX related projects (emulators, remakes of games and musics for PC) than with the MSX ones.
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This is just because most people are totally konami-crazy.
For some reason, arranged MSX music has always been really popular. You can see this by the fact that so many musicdisks have been released with nothing but MSX music arrangements.
I can understand excitement for emulators too, because a lot of people don't have the means to buy actual MSX hardware like MoonSound or even MSX-AUDIO.
You can be sure that those that react so excited to PC remakes are generally people that hardly use their real MSX anymore. Luckily there are a lot fo real MSX users left, but for some reason they don't react as enthousiastically, at least not spontaneously.
Another thing, there's only a small percentage of the MSX scene a member of MRC, and only a fraction of those members actually join forum discussions or place reactions.
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| For example, the Dream On promo was released recently and a few people reacted to it....
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I have to admit I still have to try this promo, but my MSX isn't set up right now (asap ^_^) and I don't want to use an emulator.
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| so... is people really interested in new MSX software??
What do you think?
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YES!!! |
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Imanok msx addict Berichten: 283 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 14:09   |
I'm not talking about the advantages of emulation ( I use emulators too when I'm not at home). What I mean is that seems there are people who don't need new MSX games... with their emulator and their Konami games they have enough... and I feel really sad for it...
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| This is just because most people are totally konami-crazy. 
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I like Konami games too, but that's not the problem.
What would have happened if Konami had released Dream On with the name "Pippols 2"?? I think that things would had been very different... it would have been a total revolution.
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| For some reason, arranged MSX music has always been really popular. You can see this by the fact that so many musicdisks have been released with nothing but MSX music arrangements.
I can understand excitement for emulators too, because a lot of people don't have the means to buy actual MSX hardware like MoonSound or even MSX-AUDIO.
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Then, my question is: "Why are emulation and arranged music much more popular that the creation of games?" ... remember that the basis of the emulation and game music disk are "the games".
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| I have to admit I still have to try this promo, but my MSX isn't set up right now (asap ^_^) and I don't want to use an emulator.
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Well done!
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| >>so... is people really interested in new MSX software??
What do you think?<<YES!!!
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I'm not that sure... |
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GuyveR800 msx guru Berichten: 3048 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 15:10   |
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| What I mean is that seems there are people who don't need new MSX games... with their emulator and their Konami games they have enough... and I feel really sad for it...
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Yes, you are right. But remember, these people are usually ex-MSX'ers that return to MSX using emulators. They play games purely for nostalgic purposes, not because they love the MSX so much (if they really did, they wouldn't have quit in the first place).
New games != nostalgia
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| What would have happened if Konami had released Dream On with the name "Pippols 2"?? I think that things would had been very different... it would have been a total revolution.
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Ofcourse, a commercial company returning to MSX IS a revolution! (BTW, with the advent of MSX-PLAYer not an unlikely scenario!)
You can't compare amateur products to something released by Konami...
And to be honest, I think most people that like Pippols like it just for the catchy music ^^;
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| Then, my question is: "Why are emulation and arranged music much more popular that the creation of games?" ... remember that the basis of the emulation and game music disk are "the games".
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Emulation SEEMS more popular because more people are enjoying it. Non-MSX'ers are enjoying the vast library of MSX games, and ex-MSX'ers are reliving the old days and probably even discovering 'new' old games.
Game music is a seperate issue, it's something that's deeply embedded into MSX'ers. Japanese MSX magazines were always full with arranged PSG and FM game music. Among the first amateur products (at least in holland) were music disks, partly filled with game music arrangments. The popularity of arranged music disks has been as high or higher than games for more than 10 years already.
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| I'm not that sure...
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In holland there's a saying 'Silence is approval', so if there are no complaints you can assume people are liking it  |
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Niles msx professional Berichten: 519 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 15:10   |
I guess that behind all this issue it is the lack of -more than- 10 years without real development on MSX hardware.
I mean, new development of MSX software likes to a -relatively- few people, the people who remain using MSX computers everyday. Most of us we've "change" to PC/Mac environment and we use it to get emus and image-rom/dsk software.
I hope with the new MSX this will change and bring us new software for MSX (at the same level than directX/openGL)
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GuyveR800 msx guru Berichten: 3048 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 15:13   |
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| I guess that behind all this issue it is the lack of -more than- 10 years without real development on MSX hardware.
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MoonSound, Gfx9000, LPE-Z380, ATA IDE/Compact Flash, those are not REAL developments on MSX hardware?!
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| I hope with the new MSX this will change and bring us new software for MSX (at the same level than directX/openGL)
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According to the specs, it will...
BUT 3D SUCKS! |
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dlibeert msx user Berichten: 62 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 16:25   |
yeah, 3d is stupid!
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sjoerd msx addict Berichten: 441 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 18:05   |
3D = 8)
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snout
 msx legend Berichten: 4991 | Geplaatst: 08 September 2003, 18:43   |
I think one of the reasons people don't respond very enthousiastic to new MSX game development plans & promo's is they have seen many projects fail already. People want to see a finished product first, before they actually believe it.
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