Let's just call the things by their names. Amateurs they are, so amateurs we shall call them. Linguistically this doesn't say anything about their capabilities.

I still think pseudo-professional is the best. semi means half, and we're definitely not half professional! What is half professional anyway? Does that mean we screw up 50% of the time?
MSX-Engine was definitely quasi-professional btw

Rikuse, you're right about that...but words do have more meanings than just the 'official' ones in the books. If someone says those bloody amateurs, amateurs doesn't refer to people who do things as a hobby, but to people who don't have enough skills/knowledge/whatever and probably screwed up Btw, this is called amateurish, not amaturistic. You can determine from the context if the word 'amateur' has a negative sound or not.

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I still think pseudo-professional is the best. semi means half, and we're definitely not half professional! What is half professional anyway? Does that mean we screw up 50% of the time? MSX-Engine was definitely quasi-professional btw

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Rikuse, you're right about that...but words do have more meanings than just the 'official' ones in the books. If someone says those bloody amateurs, amateurs doesn't refer to people who do things as a hobby, but to people who don't have enough skills/knowledge/whatever and probably screwed up Btw, this is called amateurish, not amaturistic. You can determine from the context if the word 'amateur' has a negative sound or not.

But we know better, don't we? Professional means nothing more than 'someone who is doing something for his profession'. 'Beroepsmatig', in Dutch. This totally lacks any connection with 'love' for what someone is doing. The word 'amateur' DOES connect those words.

An amateur can be an expert, whereas a professional doesn't necessarily have to be an expert.

true...
When you put it that way, 'amateur' is really a kick-ass word!

Why bother anyway, who carez..?

there are amateurs doing amateur-level things,
there are pros, doing amateur-level things,
there are amateurs doing pro-level things,
there are pros doing pro-level stuff.

Because of this, it's not worth the effort to define these terms in terms of quality.

I that case, I am so glad/proud to be an amateur doing pro level things