its a nice initiative, but i'd prefer it comes from the msx association itself

For as long as I have an MSX, I have the feeling that -concerning MSX activity- East-Asia, South-America and West-Europe are completely isolated. Not only by the end-users, but also by -former- companies..

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users here that had opposite opinions about stuff (like late guyver800 and koetjemsx (post above mine), grauw and some mrc mods/admins, convinced me that patience is mandatory. yes, patience is a good thing.

Ehrm... I don't think GuyveR800 would like people declare him dead while he's still alive and kicking.

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ok, i especially complained about the fact that the msx association site was still in japanese only (in january 2004). i personally find it very strange that there didnt come an english (international) version while much time has passed (from tilburg 2000 until january 2004).

The lecture in Tilburg was held in 2001 if I'm not mistaken.

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If anyone would be able to translate something of that respective site, the latest news could be posted here as well.

You don't seriously think that www.msxa.fcm.co.jp has some news that has not yet been translated in a newspost on MRC do you?

You guys should know by now that -if- there's MSX (related) news (worthy of posting), MRC will post about it... if we didn't do so already

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You don't seriously think that www.msxa.fcm.co.jp has some news that has not yet been translated in a newspost on MRC do you? You guys should know by now that -if- there's MSX (related) news (worthy of posting), MRC will post about it... if we didn't do so already

i knew some post like this would come.. i do not want to rely on msx.org for this kind of information. and its not just about that, they don't show any decent interest to the outside of japan except for a very few occasions. i don't like msx asso's attitute...

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and please, fix the damned double quote tag issue! its about time

Is the MSX Association the only institute/person(s) able to make the revival a success outside of Japan? Your, and some others amongst you, ignorance is contributing to the postponing and discouraging of a revival outside Japan. Instead of cheering the MSX Association and trying actively to find efforts to help the revival, the only thing you do is rioting against the MSX Association. The very same organisation that published two (2!) MSX magazines long after the commercial 'death' of the system. The same organisation that sent its president more then once to countries in Europe to talk to MSX fans. The same organisation that made an official MSX emulator but still leaving plenty of room for unofficial emulators (take c64/tulip and their p.o.v. on emu's for example). The same organisation that made the USB MSX Game Reader. The attitude of that same company is to your disliking?

I guess I don't have to tell you what I think of -your- attitude on this one, eh?

Bart I agree with you but a few remarks from my side.
It isnot msx Assciation made the USB Gamereader , but Ese factories did.
The problem DARQ more describes is the fact that he is unknown what MSX Association is,does how they operate if they want to share info.
I can only say they do in principle but only they decide themselves when and how and to whom. This in order to avoid promises made and besides it also their nature is my strongest believe.
If you understand that , or try to understand it then MSX has a future , but together with the rest. If you could read also the contents of their magazine you are able to find out that there is great respect for Brazilian, European ( mainly spain and the netherlands)

And that unfortunately you cannot if you donot visit a fair where Sunrise and AMRC have the ability to show you the magazines and what is all about
The info is simply visable and please take interest instead of pressing the button(s).

sigh, BART!! i am not rioting at all. but i really wouldnt cheer for something like that. there is nothing for me to cheer for. and about those usb gadgets, i presume they dont even have an english manual! now whats that?? they must show something conrete at once!

and about sunrise's post, i don't understand a thing of it

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do you know how i see this? there are 3 groups here:
- people that don't want to have anything to do with this revival
- people that support it, but still think msxa is just doing nothing for "us"
- people that support it, and cheer for even the smallest thing which is obviously no use to them. you can't read a gamereaders manual now do you?

companies like konami quit making international versions too (metal gear 2). but by doing so, they showed that they do not support the international community.

it's better to have a japanese bird in your hand than ten english birds... err... not in your hand...

Well, MSX Association is a company. Not some charity fund. If they think they will lose money on something, they won't do it. If Microsoft keeps blocking MSX Association from spreading the MSX System ROMS out of Japan, things are going to get tough.

However, I appreciate every succesful attempt MSX Association does to (re)-commercialize MSX again. Why? Because nobody thought it was possible. Nobody thought it would be possible to sell more than 100.000 magazines about MSX in 2003. Nobody thought it would be possible to sell 4.000 USB ROM Cartridge Readers. Nobody thought it would be possible to reach more than 10.000 customers for MSX (and other homecomputer/console) games. Nobody thought it would be possible to make the Japanese Government and Educational authorities interested in MSX again. MSX Association did all this, with the help of ASCII and ESE, respecting the existing MSX Community.

Because, tell me, in what way is MSX Association spoiling your MSX fun? If you don't want to have anything to do with the revival, that's your choice. You don't have to buy MSX Magazines, Robo-Education or USB Cartridge packages or EGG games. Sure I'd like to see how some of the Japanese initiatives would do outside of Japan, but if those things are not possible (for whatever reason) then I still don't think there's anyone to blame. Everyone at MSX Association is doing the best they can.

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companies like konami quit making international versions too (metal gear 2). but by doing so, they showed that they do not support the international community.

Konami probably thought that they would lose money if they published Metal Gear 2 in Europe at that time (they probably would have also). Why publish a game if there is no profit?

i think if they released solid snake in english back then the would have sold thousands of copy's i guess it is one of the best msx2 games ever

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it's better to have a japanese bird in your hand than ten english birds... err... not in your hand...

!Disagree! I'd rather have it switched, since I can't read Japanese... :S

Ever seen the European version of Metal Gear (heck, who hasn't?! )?
"... to destoroy Metal Gear ..."

*sigh*...

Moreover, the first Engrish transration of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake sucked like hell. #1.2 is quite nice though ... mth --> you rule!