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Well, there might be some things coming you don't know about yet... Just you wait . As for Funet closing, that is totally out of the question. As for Funet having to remove part of its MSX-related content... Well... if you keep giving it attention like this someone of important might actually notice, and decide to do something about it. Konami for example is know to be very strict in its copyright policies. Would that make you happy? Bet not, so be wise and don't bring it up as it barely adds anything of value to the discussion anyway. ~Grauw

Ok.

ATTENTION! KONAMI, HELP! HELP! AU AU AU!
FUNET IS PIRATING YOUR GAMES!
MICROCABIN, HELP! CLOSE FUNET, PLEASE!
OR JAPAN WILL NOT HAVE MSX REVIVAL!
T&E SOFT! GO CLOSE FUNET NOW!
IT IS A VERY SECRET FTP WITH MSX ROMS THAT NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT.

You're so funny... And so incredibly short-sighted at the same time! It's hilarious.
You don't see the MSX Revival happening all over the world, even if it hits you in the face.
How old are you anyway, 12?

JohnL, you're so sad, I NEVER saw you make any positive contribution to msx.org.

All you're doing is rioting, and challenge. If you have nothing better to do, I am clearly wasting my time with you. For the ones who DO have brains: maybe you can see some good sense in what I'm saying. If you want Funet to stay the way it is, keep it low-profile. If you don't, then you obviously don't care. For the record, there IS (commercial) interest in MSX from old companies again, the MRC people have gotten several emails to prove that (which, ofcourse, can't be disclosed), and there were also some on the subject of warez, so it definately is an issue. If they are selling games on for instance Project EGG, they don't want them to be easily downloadable on warez sites aswell. Anyways, MRC has said this before however some people seem to have very selective memories. And if you don't believe it, frankly, that's your problem if you want to call the MRC admins liars.


~Grauw

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The new MSX will be what the old MSX was, a mixture of game, professional, and hobby. It will inspire people to create, it will allow people to share their creations. This is a completely new market segment. The old MSX was created to put a stop to the wildgrowth of homecomputers. And was successful at that. I invision the new MSX to put a stop to the wildgrowth of PDA's and wannabe handheld gameconsoles.

tee hee! and I am the Santa Claus

nothing personal, but you must get real. Even apple Macintosh fights and fights forever to keep their little share on the market...

msx was fun. msx was great, but msx is over. let's play the games to remember and enjoy the HOBBY

why do change my PC and my applications to other computer? only for don't being an infidel? HEHEHE HAHAHA!

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JohnL, you're so sad, I NEVER saw you make any positive contribution to msx.org. All you're doing is rioting, and challenge.

no! he is going very good. sincere and ironic too
you must learn to take it like a spartan

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If you have nothing better to do, I am clearly wasting my time with you. For the ones who DO have brains: maybe you can see some good sense in what I'm saying.

quit whining

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If you want Funet to stay the way it is, keep it low-profile. If you don't, then you obviously don't care. For the record, there IS (commercial) interest in MSX from old companies again, the MRC people have gotten several emails to prove that (which, ofcourse, can't be disclosed), and there were also some on the subject of warez, so it definately is an issue.

commercial interest only to take more money from the fans using the same games...

why can't the e-mails be disclosed? stop joking, please

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If they are selling games on for instance Project EGG, they don't want them to be easily downloadable on warez sites aswell. Anyways, MRC has said this before however some people seem to have very selective memories. And if you don't believe it, frankly, that's your problem if you want to call the MRC admins liars. ~Grauw

it seems too heavy calling someone a liar only because it mixes its internal reallity with the real world...

Matrix was a good movie (only the first part, of course)

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tee hee! and I am the Santa Claus

Come on, you're not getting anywhere with remarks like this and you know it. If you only joined these forums to annoy people, then I suggest you get a second hobby. I invite you to join other topics in our forums as well and say something positive for a change.

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nothing personal, but you must get real. Even apple Macintosh fights and fights forever to keep their little share on the market...

Who said MSX Association/ASCII want to dominate the market and/or want to make billions of dollars? (On a sidenote: do you have the slightest idea how much money Apple made last year? I'd like to have a company which makes so much money )

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msx was fun. msx was great, but msx is over. let's play the games to remember and enjoy the HOBBY

The 800 newsposts of 2003 show that MSX is not over at all, but it is a hobby indeed. The current MSX Revival is not getting in the way of your hobby, is it?

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commercial interest only to take more money from the fans using the same games...

Indeed. EGG, ASCII and MSX Association are making money with this. So are all developers who joined EGG, like Falcom, Aiky, Microcabin ... (see our newsposts and forumthreads). Don't you think that's amazing? Multiple companies making (a little) money with MSX in 2004? Face it: it are cool games, the prices are low and you're supporting the game companies you like and, perhaps, the coming of a new one-chip MSX computer. A new computer based on the elements we like of the MSX computer. At least everyone who wants to own these games legally now -can- own then legally. (ok, you got me there... EGG is Japan only...for now).

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why can't the e-mails be disclosed?

Why don't you post all e-mails you receive on your website? Exactly. All communication between the MRC and any other third parties (being persons and/or companies) are confidential.

I'd like to continue this discussion with you, but please read a bit more about the facts first, and please be a bit more ample in your argumentation. You're on a public discussion forum, and I think you want to make people see why they should think differently about the MSX Revival. Just saying "haha, your opinion sucks, keep dreaming!" will not convince many people to change their minds you know. It only annoys people.

When will the revival come ??????????
Never !

I wonder, is it that much fun to be negative all the time? Is it something you can enjoy?

Not me... I like to see the positive side of things! I think it makes me a happier person.

You can close your eyes and pretend the MSX Revival isn't happening, because it's already happening, but you apparently don't want to see it.

You won't be able to stop it!

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I wonder, is it that much fun to be negative all the time? Is it something you can enjoy?

No, is it so much fun to YOU seeing an old computer bashed ?

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Not me... I like to see the positive side of things! I think it makes me a happier person.

Then be happy ......

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You can close your eyes and pretend the MSX Revival isn't happening, because it's already happening, but you apparently don't want to see it.

Well, all I´m seeing is an overpriced Keyboard-PC with an Emulator running on it, a MSX Cart Reader that just let you use old carts on a modern PC and a not yet released and probably VERY expensive so called one chip MSX that almost got nothing to do with a MSX anymore ...... I won´t call this a "Revival", it´s just making money with the retro hype going on around the world !!!

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You won't be able to stop it!

And you know what ?? I really don´t want to ..... why should I ? There´s nothing to stop as there is no revival and YOU won´t be able to start it 8)

P.S : Btw. ..... is it fun deleting my posts in other threads ???

Who are you talking to? You seem to be talking to me, but I can't delete posts anywhere (not even my own)... I wonder why you would think that.

You're missing a large part of the revival, the most important part being the USER'S revival. This revival has been going on for more than 2 years already. But the current MSX users can't revive MSX all by themselves. This is why MSX PLAYer, MSXPC and MSX Game Reader are good.

You seem to be blind to the fact that the MSX PLAYer, MSXPC and MSX Game Reader will attract new people to the MSX scene. More people = more audience, which will attract the interest of software companies for making MSX software.

Project Egg is the first step in this. Former MSX companies are already selling their old titles again. They are interested in MSX! You should read what has been posted about Guru Logic and Aiky (former Compile) here on MRC.

You're letting yourself be blinded by small things. Try to see the big picture. MSX has a future again!

Besides, what does an old computer bashing incident (yes, INCIDENT!) have to do with the MSX revival?

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When will the revival come ?????????? Never !

hmm, me is very sceptic about it. IMO the revival is happening, but as expected, it's japan only. And if they have their reasons (MS) or not, i don't care! i don't want a msx-magazine which i can't read. i don't want a msxpc with a japanese manual which i can't read.
the revival is here (where i am, europe?!) when i can buy the stuff in an ordinary whatever-shop with euro's, a readable manual and stuff like that.

what about projectEGG? pff, let's buy an old game (that we all already have illegal) with yens and a neat unreadable manual. the games we buy are propably most still in japanese, and i don't want to wait for another "oasis" patch that fixes the unreadable language!

i consider myself a potential customer, but as usual, customers are annoying and difficult to handle.

until then, there is no revival.. except the one isolated in japan.

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No, is it so much fun to YOU seeing an old computer bashed ? P.S : Btw. ..... is it fun deleting my posts in other threads ???

No, it is not fun, but if you read our forum policies and your private e-mail you know why your posts were moderated. If you want to discuss these matters, I prefer it if you would contact us in private instead of nagging about it in the forums.

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and probably VERY expensive so called one chip MSX that almost got nothing to do with a MSX anymore ......

Nishi announced it as a $100 PC in 2001. I don't know what your idea of 'expensive' is, but euhm... I wouldn't call this expensive, even if it gets a $250 PC.

To DarQ: Indeed, so far the MSX Revival has been Japan only. However, there were several Japanese delegations visiting Europe several times. They at least show interest in the European MSX community. Who knows what might happen. As explained many times before, it's only logic they started it all in Japan, don't you think?

And indeed, it is your choice to buy the games EGG sells or not, if you already own them (legally or not). It's not like MSX Association is forcing every MSX user (in Japan) to buy all these games. And it's not like MSX Association is forcing MSX users in Japan to stop their MSX hobby projects all of a sudden. It's not that kind of a revival, you know .

The only thing that might change is the attitude of software houses against websites spreading warez. And I think that's perfectly normal and expectable. Imagine MRC or any other MSX website spreading Bombaman for free today. I think Sunrise and Team Bomba would get very, very, very angry and I'm sure they would try anything they can to stop that website from spreading the game. And I'm sure they will react exactly the same way if some website starts spreading Bombaman in a few years.

When companies like I mentioned before are trying to support the MSX system again in 2004, by re-releasing their popular games and perhaps even some new stuff, I can only appreciate that. And I can understand that they will give people/sites spreading MSX warez a bit more attention than they used to do. So, is that what you are afraid of? I really don't see why.

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When will the revival come ?????????? Never !

At First! Get a live and try to speak for once in ur live positive!
The Revival already started, it's right under ur nose!
We even got in Tilburg 2k3 visitors from other districts, ask the people of MSX.org, for further details!
But still, it's a sign!
The Revival started, and the first official magazines have already been spread all over the world, i guess.
So..

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>>When will the revival come ?????????? Never !<< At First! Get a live and try to speak for once in ur live positive! The Revival already started, it's right under ur nose! We even got in Tilburg 2k3 visitors from other districts, ask the people of MSX.org, for further details! But still, it's a sign! The Revival started, and the first official magazines have already been spread all over the world, i guess. So..

spread over the world? great, but do you benefit from reading an unreadably brand new MSX magazine? does your msx life change now you know that in japan the revival has started? i dont disagree the fact that it has started, but IMO it's only the japanese people that can benefit.
how many times have i seen: "no overseas shipping" ??

you try to benefit from it, but you can't because you (we, non-japanese) are excluded from it. it's still nice to have a game you love in an original box (from EGG) but how cool is it to play (for example) xak 1 in japanese? how cool is it to sneak through a japanese manual for key combinations you need to play a certain game?

i'd say: non-japanese people, get real! for us there is no revival (YET!). and as long as japanese companies don't pay DECENT attention to us, we cannot benefit from the revival as much as japanese people do.

but unreadable games/manuals is not even the biggest problem. look at their websites. obviously japanese only, or a lame (unmaintained) english version filled with non-info.

japan needs to change their attitude towards us once and for all. a first good step would be GOOD international versions of their sites.

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To DarQ: Indeed, so far the MSX Revival has been Japan only. However, there were several Japanese delegations visiting Europe several times. They at least show interest in the European MSX community. Who knows what might happen. As explained many times before, it's only logic they started it all in Japan, don't you think?

great, we had a few delegations here. i've seen nishi & co at tilburg those few years ago and it was interesing indeed. they did show interest in us, but as long as there even isnt a normal internation site, then it keeps with SHOWING attention. simple meaningless words.. they should show some deeds!

logic indeed suggests the revival starts in japan. but logic doesn't suggest they keep it in japan, but they DO keep it in japan!

enough time has passed since the beginning of the (japanese) revival. and they still haven't got a decent international site (ok, not the first post where i mention the lack of an internation site, but its so VERY important to have an international site!). the lack of such a site says enough... to little attention.