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Hmmmm, ok so the revival started ??? How ? Selling 15 year old games with an Emu to run on PC ?? Great, just what I need

Ummm... Why are people also conveniently forgetting the new hardware (MSXGR and one chip MSX in development) and the two MSX Magazines, with more to come!!! It's not just selling old games in an emulator. And even that is nice, after all these years you get the opportunity to get a legal copy of a game! It's like Sunrise starting to sell MoonLight Saga, which has been unavailable for years and now is laying right under our nose on MSX fairs like Oss.

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I really considered stopping all my MSX efforts and leave (think many of you would like to see this, don´t you ?) but I´m not against MSX and the MSX scene at all ....

I really think you're seeing ghosts here. I doubt anyone has a personal animosity against you. Anyways, if you're not against MSX and the MSX scene, I don't see why you would consider stopping. I can understand as a computer collector you disapprove of smashing up C64's (even broken ones), yet Snout worded what I think pretty well in his reaction to this photos newspost. One thing I'm sure of is that, a helluvalot more is needed to get me far enough to even consider quitting MSX.

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Also I hope someday there will be a REAL MSX Revival taking place but not in this form you say it´s allready happening right now

As has been explained before, things aren't released on a worldwide scale 'just like that'. Because if you start out right away at such a scale, if things don't work out as planned you will loose a lot more money than if it were only in Japan. There are financial risks involved and one would want to keep those as small as possible. What MSX-Association has been doing so far can quite well be described with the popular Dutch term of the past few years, it is a 'proefbalonnetje'. Rest assured that things will also come our way.

And even if it were only to stay in Japan and die out soon, I would be already be happy. After all, it at least gave us the MSX-GR, and 2 pretty MSX Magazines years after the last professional European magazines have died out (at least I haven't seen new Hnostar magazines around for a long while anymore, and that one was in Spanish).


~Grauw

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Regardless which model, LOL... It wasn't a C64-II, it wasn't a C128, it wasn't an amiga, it was the oldest of the oldest...

And just THESE are pretty usefull getting spare parts, not ONLY THE SID !!!

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And AGAIN, it was used to salvage a SID chip from. Demolished by hammer or remaining intact without a SID chip, it's pretty much useless either way!!!

You could OPEN the case carfully and take the SID out without a problem .... no need for bashing the complete case !!!

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What exactly ARE your 'MSX efforts'?

Search the MRC for my website and have a look if you are really interested ....

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A thing like this grows, from small to larger. You can't expect to first have nothing and then *BOOM* the stores are filled with MSX computers!

I know that, but in my opinion, if this should really be the start of a revival, it began the wrong way .... if it´s a revival for you and it has changed your entire life, well, good for you ....

Guyver has a point indeed. Before there were translations, everyone used to play those games in Japanese. I never played SD-Snatcher in Japanese, but I did play Metal Gear 2 in it, and I enjoyed it a great lot. So, that never withheld me from admiring Japan, 'the walhalla of MSX' in the past, and I don't see why it should suddenly become an objection I can't overcome.

Besides, what's withholding you from applying one of those translations to newly released Project Egg games? And, think of it, what if the result of this revival were that a company like Konami or Falcom or Microcabin (uh, they don't exist anymore, I believe) were to make a new game, of the caliber of RPG classics like SD Snatcher, Ys, or Xak??? It's not unlikely to happen at all, because new games are already in development. Wouldn't that be more blessings for MSX, coming from the MSX revival? And just in case it's only in Japanese, so what! It never withheld us in the past to make translation patches, so why should it now.


~Grauw

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You're so funny... And so incredibly short-sighted at the same time! It's hilarious. You don't see the MSX Revival happening all over the world, even if it hits you in the face. How old are you anyway, 12?

Yes, it is so AMUSING. Huhuhu.
MSX revival for me is new software or new hardware. It is not homemade demos, games made with sprite rips and the resseling of old games for playing in bad emulators, old games that I already have the originals from 10-20 years ago.
I am blind. I must be.

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JohnL, you're so sad, I NEVER saw you make any positive contribution to msx.org. All you're doing is rioting, and challenge. If you have nothing better to do, I am clearly wasting my time with you. For the ones who DO have brains: maybe you can see some good sense in what I'm saying. If you want Funet to stay the way it is, keep it low-profile.

WHAT? Are you encouraging piracy? Are you promoting piracy?
This goes against everything you said on several other posts. This prooves that you really don't care about piracy, and the only reason for getting rid of the links to warez sites is that you don't want the game companies to know about them, so you can still use them do download your illegal stuff.
I really don't want funet to continue pirating msx stuff that is being sold by project EGG.

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seems to me you really don't care about the story of SD-Snatcher, which you CANNOT read of you cant read japanese and playing the japanese version.

Apparently you can't read.

You said "how cool is it to play japanese games" and I said "just as cool as it was 10 years ago, when we were doing exactly that". Never did I say anything about english translations being either cooler or less cool.

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MSX revival for me is new software or new hardware.

There is new hardware. And if you had read MRC well enough, you know that there ARE software houses working on NEW games for MSX! Not home-made, REAL NEW GAMES.

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I am blind. I must be.

Yup...

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>>tee hee! and I am the Santa Claus <<Come on, you're not getting anywhere with remarks like this and you know it. If you only joined these forums to annoy people, then I suggest you get a second hobby. I invite you to join other topics in our forums as well and say something positive for a change.

This is so wrong. Please, understand that you can't make other people have the same opinion as you. Sometimes other people opinios may annoy you, like this stuff about the warez site (saying they are illegal and trying to protect funet, wich has lots of the games on project egg - this is really incoherent and annoying to me). Just closing your eyes to reality or being hypocrite will not make msx revival happen. I think this attitude is nocive to the revival, unless you think that the revival should be only emulators and resseling of soft already made. Understand that this is not a personal opinion against nobody of the forum, and this is not a challenge.

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I'd like to continue this discussion with you, but please read a bit more about the facts first, and please be a bit more ample in your argumentation. You're on a public discussion forum, and I think you want to make people see why they should think differently about the MSX Revival. Just saying "haha, your opinion sucks, keep dreaming!" will not convince many people to change their minds you know. It only annoys people.

The "close your eyes and have positive thoughts" attitude does the same to me.

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Who are you talking to? You seem to be talking to me, but I can't delete posts anywhere (not even my own)... I wonder why you would think that. You're missing a large part of the revival, the most important part being the USER'S revival. This revival has been going on for more than 2 years already.

In my country there is no such thing. Here, the users are active a longer time than just 2 years, as well as homemade soft and hardware. It is not growing or decreasing, it is just the same thing. That's why I can't see a "revival" just beacause Nichi, wich forget what msx was until the time when he found out about the user groups and decided to take some money from them.

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To DarQ: Indeed, so far the MSX Revival has been Japan only. However, there were several Japanese delegations visiting Europe several times. They at least show interest in the European MSX community. Who knows what might happen. As explained many times before, it's only logic they started it all in Japan, don't you think?

It would also be very logic and very easy to just translate the egg web page and allow people from outside japan to buy the games, making more money and the audience much bigger, since the delivery of the product would also be very easy (download), don't you think? My guess is that they see it as something that would attract the japan public only.

How does Nishi take money from you?

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It would also be very logic and very easy to just translate the egg web page and allow people from outside japan to buy the games, making more money and the audience much bigger, since the delivery of the product would also be very easy (download), don't you think? My guess is that they see it as something that would attract the japan public only.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Ofcourse they'd like europeans and brazilians to buy their games too, but something like this just isn't set up in a snap! It takes time and money, and you don't have patience!!

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>>but how cool is it to play (for example) xak 1 in japanese? how cool is it to sneak through a japanese manual for key combinations you need to play a certain game?<< Just as cool as it was 10 years ago!! When everybody was playing (and finishing!) SD-Snatcher in japanese, and the Xak series and and and...

I can see now. Thank you. So, what you are trying to do is to REVIVE your infancy. To get back the same feelings you had 10 or more years ago. Maybe I am not the one who has 12 years, and maybe you are the one who would like to have such age again. Things change, why can't they be better? I am beggining to see that you don't want changes at all, no new msx, no new soft, just the same old feeling is good enough, turning on your msx, playing xak 1 in japanese and pretending you are younger again.

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>> >>but how cool is it to play (for example) xak 1 in japanese? how cool is it to sneak through a japanese manual for key combinations you need to play a certain game?<< Just as cool as it was 10 years ago!! When everybody was playing (and finishing!) SD-Snatcher in japanese, and the Xak series and and and...<< I can see now. Thank you. So, what you are trying to do is to REVIVE your infancy. To get back the same feelings you had 10 or more years ago. Maybe I am not the one who has 12 years, and maybe you are the one who would like to have such age again. Things change, why can't they be better? I am beggining to see that you don't want changes at all, no new msx, no new soft, just the same old feeling is good enough, turning on your msx, playing xak 1 in japanese and pretending you are younger again.

DUDE, that has NOTHING to do with it!
I'm not nostalgic at all... I'm just saying to Darq the coolness factor of playing japanese games hasn't changed.

It's no use talking to you, you will just twist words and reject facts.