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These games are not remakes for windows. They run on MSX-PLAYer (or in the case of the PC-8801 games, on a PC-8801 emulator) and are sold at Project Egg. MSX Resource Center has posted numerous times about Project Egg (just see the Revival Topic by clicking 'news topics' on the left menu), and it's the living proof MSX is not dead and games are sold commercially. This thread even proves people want them

i greatly refuse to pay for a 16K game!!

That's exactly the mentality that stands in the way of the MSX revival.

That's why you can't consider that the MSX-PLAYer is a real emulator....
Of course, the copyrights problem explains why this "emulator" doesn't support dsk, rom and cas images.

But that's not all : no multiple screenshots feature, no full screen (at least in the version of the MSX Magazine 1), no possibility of saving the emulation state or the music , no real configuration (choice between MSX 1 - 2 - 2+ - Turbo-R for example) ...

No, you must consider the reality : the MSX-PLAYer is only a way to make you buy a game that will run on PC. So, such an embedded game in the code of the MSX-PLAYer specially adapted only for this game is a PC file, that's no more a MSX file. So, you must consider the game as a conversion of a MSX game for PC. The only difference with other conversions is the use of the MSX-PLAYer, mixed with the code of the game that, for more security, is crypted !!!

The only positive thing with the MSX-PLAYer is his BASIC version that allows to use directly your MSX disks in the PC drive (or your MSX cartridges in the PC with the help of the special interface). Only for that, it's an emulator ... but for the rest, it's a PC file !

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That's why you can't consider that the MSX-PLAYer is a real emulator....

Are there any 'REAL' emulators? It's just a matter of choice, you know. Most people don't have to run an extremely specific type of configuration, they just want to play a game. The developers of MSXPLAYer and BlueMSX/RedMSX understood that perfectly well.

The features you mention (multiple screenshots, fullscreen, savestates etc. ) are all extra's that a lot of emulators lack. So why would only MSXPLAYer not be a real emulator? I think it's quite special that there's an official, legal emulator out there.

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No, you must consider the reality : the MSX-PLAYer is only a way to make you buy a game that will run on PC.

Wrong. It goes for the titles EGG is selling, but on MSX Magazine 1 and 2 you'll find MSXPLAYers that can run anything you want, from real disks and cartridges. (But you mentioned that later on )

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>>That's why you can't consider that the MSX-PLAYer is a real emulator.... << Are there any 'REAL' emulators? It's just a matter of choice, you know. Most people don't have to run an extremely specific type of configuration, they just want to play a game. The developers of MSXPLAYer and BlueMSX/RedMSX understood that perfectly well. The features you mention (multiple screenshots, fullscreen, savestates etc. ) are all extra's that a lot of emulators lack. So why would only MSXPLAYer not be a real emulator? I think it's quite special that there's an official, legal emulator out there.

Yes, that's indeed a matter of choice. By the questions that some emulator users ask, I can say that we have three different emulators users :
- the common users, that are only interested by games ; for this category, the lack of savestates feature in NLMSX is a real problem, they will prefer paraMSX, blueMSX or RedMSX
- the advanced users, that are interested by other MSX funny applications (like demos and diskmagazines, but also MSX-AUDIO / MSX-MUSIC / Moonsound) : for this category, the choice is between NLMSX and openMSX
- the perfectionnist users .... there's only a choice : openMSX as the goal of this emulator is total accuracy

Where do you must place the MSX-PLAYer ? No special feature, no support for MSX-AUDIO and Moonsound, probably a good accuracy but not so good as openMSX. It's for the common users that are not interested by savestates .... And about fullscreen : the gamers like fullscreen, I remember the posts on NLMSX forum when this emulator had not already this feature. So only a little part of the gamers will be interested by the MSX-PLAYer ....except maybe in Japan, but then it's really a Japanese mystery !!!

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i greatly refuse to pay for a 16K game!!

Crazy Taxi for consoles/PC is only a few MB's. Yet you pay exactly the same amount for it as for games that are a few GB's!! Do you complain about that too?

SIZE has nothing to do with how much you pay for something. It's the enjoyment that counts, and I personally enjoy a game of Castle Excellent (which costs less than 5 euros) WAY more than most of the 60-75 euro PS2/XBOX/GameCube/PC games.

In fact, in the consumer electronics world, smaller usually means more expensive

I think it's funny that you, thinlizzy, repeatedly show yourself as a pirate warez-freak that does not CARE about MSX at all. You just want FR33 GAMEZ!

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>>i greatly refuse to pay for a 16K game!! << In fact, in the consumer electronics world, smaller usually means more expensive I think it's funny that you, thinlizzy, repeatedly show yourself as a pirate warez-freak that does not CARE about MSX at all. You just want FR33 GAMEZ!

well, i earn money with PCs. there is no way to make money with msx. this is only a funny hobby. so, i don't care for piracy on msx. i like the games and emulators of this yellow machine

i have some PC originals (heroes of might and magic III, Diablo II, Warcraft III, Civilization II, etc.). outstanding games deserve to be paid for

making money with msx is a weird way. it is only a hobby. 8)

It's clear there are companies interested in developing for MSX again, and at this moment there are companies making money with MSX. That means for some people it's not just a hobby.

4 me, is it just a hobby and I love the MSX.
If I've the time, I'm quite active in the MSX community!

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It's clear there are companies interested in developing for MSX again, and at this moment there are companies making money with MSX. That means for some people it's not just a hobby.

L.O.L.

it is obvious they don't rely only on msx to survive

they only want to suck money from blind msx fans, selling again the same games they have made twenty years ago.

but ok, i am wrong, the msx revival will happen and all will be as before 8)

Wow that sounds like a lot of games! Hmm, Warcraft 3, either you bought that 10 years ago, or you paid not much more than 5 euro's for it. Civilization? Pah. Anyways, your statement 'outstanding games deserve to be paid for' and the fact that you name only very old games which you either paid very little for or paid for years ago, clearly shows that you don't make a habit of purchasing anything.

That sounds pretty much like a pirate attitude to me. So I think it's safe to say that you are far from a blessing for the PC gaming industry, and well, as for commercial companies still (again) supporting MSX, you made your opinion clear! Shall I name all my PSX and PS2 original games??? I'd say there's about 50 now. I worked hard for the money earned to pay for those, and so have many others, so why should I support pirates in any way, as it seems hardly a fair activity to me.

One constant about pirates is that they either fully acknowledge that they are, or otherwise try to grab every excuse they can find to justify what they're doing. And never mind the law. Seeing your 'great' arguments, I'd say you belong in the latter category.


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Wow that sounds like a lot of games! Hmm, Warcraft 3, either you bought that 10 years ago, or you paid not much more than 5 euro's for it. Civilization? Pah. Anyways, your statement 'outstanding games deserve to be paid for' and the fact that you name only very old games which you either paid very little for or paid for years ago, clearly shows that you don't make a habit of purchasing anything.

what is wrong with Civilization? there is one of best games I've seen

and I like to VALUE my money. thanks

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That sounds pretty much like a pirate attitude to me. So I think it's safe to say that you are far from a blessing for the PC gaming industry, and well, as for commercial companies still (again) supporting MSX, you made your opinion clear! Shall I name all my PSX and PS2 original games??? I'd say there's about 50 now. I worked hard for the money earned to pay for those, and so have many others, so why should I support pirates in any way, as it seems hardly a fair activity to me.

yes, i like piracy! with that i can know what is good and what is no good before throwing away my money on these trash games

i hate PSX and PS2. there is a few original games. most titles are remakes or unnecessary sequels

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One constant about pirates is that they either fully acknowledge that they are, or otherwise try to grab every excuse they can find to justify what they're doing. And never mind the law. Seeing your 'great' arguments, I'd say you belong in the latter category.

calling me a pirate or that will not work. the project egg is hilarious! burn a CD with an emulator and a 16K game is a waste of resources. it is gone! it is old! it is FAKE! (emulators are infidel)

do you want a good and fun idea? take a look on Atari! they make a console that is identical to the atari 2600 joystick which you can plug it on TV and play ten 2600 games. THIS is supporting games. it is a shame they didn't put a slot in order to play more games or save records, but i think this will raise the price (it is only $60 - six dolars for a game)

stop dreaming!

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It's clear there are companies interested in developing for MSX again, and at this moment there are companies making money with MSX. That means for some people it's not just a hobby.

Wich companies? Or is this SECRET information?
They are making new msx machines or software?

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Shall I name all my PSX and PS2 original games??? I'd say there's about 50 now. I worked hard for the money earned to pay for those, and so have many others.

Yes. Be proud of giving money to game makers. Give them more money. They need more. Help them make more bad games.

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do you want a good and fun idea? take a look on Atari! they make a console that is identical to the atari 2600 joystick which you can plug it on TV and play ten 2600 games. THIS is supporting games. it is a shame they didn't put a slot in order to play more games or save records, but i think this will raise the price (it is only $60 - six dolars for a game)

To be able to make such a device you would need small cheap components that are able to run the msx software (a single "msx" chip). Also, to be able to put multiple games on it from multiple companies, you need an organisation that has those rights or the ability to control the rights of these games (egg).