Sunrise, I don't blame you, heheh... don't blame the messenger, they say, eh? It's just that, I cannot do much about it. If that is what people want, it is their decision to come or no. But, I think in the end they will come. None of the Bussum fairs had a lack of participants so far, so considering that I don't see much reason to be bleak about it.

~Grauw

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Face it MRC isnot sure to go Tilburg...

We'll be there. Don't worry. And we've never publically exposed any doubts about that.

I have heard that you would come as a visitor , right , not publicly but nevertheless a doubt !
And replied to this conversation because I feel that it goes wrong if it must be a discussion do I go or not.

I don't really understand what you're saying. But the discussion was never about going to Tilburg or not, it was about believing in CGV being able to organize a succesful MSX fair or not. We are going, ofcourse we are. No one can afford to miss out on any "major" MSX meeting nowadays. It's not like we have them every week.
But we, the MRC, do not plan to organize stuff anymore at Tilburg. The CGV doesn't know anything about the current MSX scene, so why should we put a lot of effort into something that has completely disconnected from its origin? The scene is not kept alive by Tilburg, but Tilburg is being kept alive by the scene. And that my friends, is totally up side down, inside out...

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I don't really understand what you're saying. But the discussion was never about going to Tilburg or not, it was about believing in CGV being able to organize a succesful MSX fair or not. We are going, ofcourse we are.

Hmm , that is an internal affair inside MRC , but I can proof that !
And my discussion isnot going to tilburg , bussum but simply the fear that hesitating to visit a fair lead to the end of all fairs

and why not do it in Barcelona or so? Would be more exotic and surely more fun than Almelo...
If you want to bring an international connotation to the fair, why should it always be in Holland?

Ofcourse I should not have to be in Holland. But you cannot expect someone from Holland to organize a fair outside Holland. So if you like a international fair with international visitors in your country, then organize it!

With Bussum growing every year, I don't see what the fuzz is about...
Frankly, I think sunrise (Rob) may have been mistaken about the so-called hesistance.

If there are people who are unhappy about Bussum, they come to Grauw or to me, not complain to sunrise.

I've never heard any real complaints about Bussum. In fact, people love the internet connection, and the fact that there's a marathon too.

The only 'complaint' I heard is about the location:
People say "Eewww, there are rooms!"
I say: There are three LARGE rooms (any of which at least 3 times larger than the largest room in Tilburg) and a wide hallway.

I say: If this matter so much to you, why the hell are you visiting Tilburg with it's DOZENS of TINY rooms where you can hardly turn around without knocking over an NMS8250?!

The other 'complaint' I heard about the location is from Wolf who didn't like the ambience. As Grauw said, the daylight is a whole lot better than the dim electric lighting in Oss!

Apparently some people like to nitpick. They should think about two things:
- an MSX fair is about the people and the MSX's, not about the paintjob of the wall.
- $$$ a physically (large hall) and aesthetically pleasing location costs MAJOR euros. We're talking 8 to 10 times the price of what the Bussum location costs!

/me thinks Bussum right now is one of the most fun fairs to visit... especially with the good opportunity for presentations and multiplay contests (personally I think it would be nice if this would be given some more attention during the day...)
Bussum really is, to me, the place to be for discussions, talking with your fellow msxfriends, buying new stuff, seeing new stuff that is being made and also for meeting foreign visitors!
Oss, this is also still great, especially the dinner afterwards, during which you can talk about the stuff you saw and make MSXplans for the new year.
It is also good to see your msx friends again after such a long time and also the benefit of a large hall (and low boothcosts )

Tilburg used to be THE fair... lots of space used for msx, especially the main entrance hall... but nowadays... things are to spread... small rooms packed... a wrong room/msxgroup ratio... also are the products no longer scheduled standard for tilburg... Tilburg used to be the fair where the most stuff was released..

I can only hope for a better Tilburg with more attention again for MSX.. fortunately we can expect 2 new products for tilburg...
me and Xcite will certainly come!

This discussion turned out to be on fair versus another.
That is absolutely not the point and I am for 100% not mistaken, it is a fact !
As Grauw said we will see if this becomes true.
It is thus not Tilburg not OSS , neither Tilburg but simply a fact that EVEN TALK ABOUT THIS, would have a bad influence on vistors , standholders and new releases etc

Could you rephrase that? Didn't understand a word of it ^^;

This is not about fair vs. fair.. on the contrary...

But you come here and say people say blahblah about bussum, but you don't say WHAT.. I don't care WHO says it, but if there's a problem, I want to be able to solve it.

Anyway.. thanks for spreading doubt and hesistation. (aka FUD)

I have this Idea just if tiburg fair whil be crap again.
and then I will try to create a real msx fair in almelo.
And I do like the fair in oss and bussum.
I do not want them to stop but 3 msx fairs in one jear is cool.
4 is to many so if tilpurg sucks a gain and is to expensive then I wil do the msx fair almelo!

And I hope the you all , you msx people to come and enjoy it!!!!

/me is living is Deventer, so a fair in Almelo would be nice.

Some people are discussing rumours about visitors or standholders are hesitating wether they would or wouldn't go to a certain fair. But no one mentions (group)names. Therefore, they still remain rumours.

If these rumours are really true, so be it. But there are enough active MSX users to make a fair day to a nice day! Period.
I'm not the most active user on the planet. But since my first fair in the early 90's until now, the fairs I skipped can be counted on one hand. My point is (and I second BiFi), as long as its announced in time, big chance I'm there!

I don't want be ignorant, but as long as you don't want to mention names or deliberately spreading unclear and fuzzy stories, don't be the messenger.

And I qoute "All controversy begins with doubt"

Is Zett an Amiga user who is infiltrating the MSX society and trying to break it all up???

Trying to destoroy (big boss said it really!!) the MSX community.

Think about it... before it's too late...

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I don't want be ignorant, but as long as you don't want to mention names or deliberately spreading unclear and fuzzy stories, don't be the messenger. And I qoute "All controversy begins with doubt"

People who know me a little better than you should know that I donot deliberately spread rumours cause it is no rumour.
Unfortunately everything is made concentrated on the Bussum fair and that's NOT the issue.
I am refering to hesitation in common and the fact that it happens
Visit a fair is having fun , keeping the system alive discover the new products, and not questioning everything do I go next year

That I donot give names is not appropriate in a forum since those are not interested in discussion on MRC-fora

Besides

Who booked and paid its booth for Tilburg? Who hesitates ?

So I want to summarize that is a bad sign that you see that happen already with the great Tilburg meeting and Bussum.
As Grauw stated earlier I believe also that at the end the most of the hesitators will come.
So, I say frankly I donot like that there are hesitators for the reason mentioned above