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Sigh... Well, not like anyone would use it anyways...

I think a graphical windows environment for MSX would definitely be used *IF* it had a killer app. A possible killer app would be a webbrowser.

Heh... I had the exact same thought! That's mostly what motivated the Screen question. I was thinking about maybe using InterNestor but was then puzzled about wether to use the hi-res capabilities of screen 7 or the almost-enough-colors mode of screen 8. The downside of screen 7 is that there wouldn't be any color. The downside of screen 8 is that colors still would be quite crappy, and the fonts even worse.

But, first things first... Have got to finish this little project I was working on. I'm picking up that old habit again of starting 4335 impossible MSX projects and finishing none. Next thing you know I'll be trying to make Doom in BASIC

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That, and, 16 colors isn't that bad... MRC would look great in it!

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That, and, 16 colors isn't that bad... MRC would look great in it!

Actually, though I haven't done it, my guess is that if you were to do a screen capture on the site window you'd prolly have well over 256 colors on this site. Even without counting the colors in the header-graphics I think it's over 16 for this -relatively 'simple'- site.

Nah, what I am thinking about is perhaps introducing a new HCML (Home Computer Markup Language?) which can be embedded in the normal HTML or perhaps detected by the server through the browser ID. This way you could provide additional more optimal HTML code for MSX computers. This way it is perhaps also possible to host images either in RAW format or maybe in POPCOM format so our poor MSXes won't have to decode .GIF and .JPG graphics nor will the have to rely on a PC proxy to do this for them...

But, like I said... First things first, still have to complete my lame-ass-project...

Google for 'wild' and 'fudebrowser', it's actually already been done.

As for the colors on this site, take away the top-bar and this site only uses 11 colors. The top-bar can just be dithered with the remaining colors, and there should be some left for cursor and menu's and what have you...

Yeah, but I think that one needs a PC to decode the data... Well, I *think* at least... It's the Uzix thing, right?

The browser is on Uzix indeed. It doesn't read HTML directly, but it reads data provided by a so-called WILD-proxy. The proxy translates the HTML into a format more suitable for MSX, just like your proposal. The only difference is WILD is a proxy so page designers don't need to know anything about the special format and your idea requires every page to provide a special MSX browsable version.

i not test the MSX win bogus OS yet... but as ppl toldme is very slow and need a TR machine for a decent speed...

well... my mnbios run fast enought on a 3.58mhz msx2..... i only can imagine the amazing speed that will got running on a TR...

if MNBIOS printing chrs one by one fill a 60x15 window in 2 or 3 seconds... sure is able of fill the same window in 1 second....

IF you want test if this is true... just download the DEMO version and type "FCB" several times.... or type "TYPE M:MSXCOMMAND.EXEC" or "TYPE M:MSXCOMMAND.EXEC /b" remember that emulate a normal MSX2...

www.mnbios.com.ar


On other hand is a "close to finish" develop and only are waiting to the developers for get drivers... like a OBJECT ORIENTED DRIVER LIBRARY or anything you want...

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The proxy translates the HTML into a format more suitable for MSX, just like your proposal.

Actually, what I suggested is the opposite: Make some new HTML tags specificly for MSX computers. I know this sounds like a drag, but let's face it. You can have a Cray Super Computer (Do those still exist? I bet they're lame as fuck nowadays) do a complete rendering of the average website and it would still look like crap.

What I'm suggesting, is that apart from having normal web-sites, maybe it'd be nice to have advanced web-sites, capable of providing MSX-specific content. I know this will sound as a very bad idea to most of you, but it's realistically the only way you're every gonna get any kind of (not text only) website on your MSX screen.

Ofcourse I don't know what the whole purpose is if going onto the www with your lame-ass-8bitter, but people seem to want it...

I'm well aware of that! If you had qouted (read?!) the sentence that followed the one you qouted:
"The only difference is WILD is a proxy so page designers don't need to know anything about the special format and your idea requires every page to provide a special MSX browsable version."

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I know this will sound as a very bad idea to most of you, but it's realistically the only way you're every gonna get any kind of (not text only) website on your MSX screen

FudebrowZer already REALISTICALLY shows any kind of (not text only) website on your MSX screen.

I'm not saying I like the FudebrowZer idea, but you act like it doesn't exist or doesn't work.