One last thing, just to avoid further problems:

Moderators, please let Patriek make a final statement/answer to this thread and then close this topic. It is not going anywhere and it is bad to the community. Personal problems, as happened before, are not to be discussed here.

This is my last post to this topic. I will mantain what I said before because it is what I feel about all this. Patriek has been the essential reference of the MRC forum.

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And I know what I am talking about because I have studied law for five years.

You claim you are a fluent english speaker and writer, so your claims about knowing the law mean nothing, if people look at the spanglish you call fluent.

Furthermore, everything you do on behalf of Karoshi Corp clearly show you know NOTHING about the law, or at least don't care about abiding by it.

You can deny doing anything, but your actions speak for themselves.

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I haven't contacted any other people regarding all this. All that I do is read the forum and answer it. Some of your messages have been direct attacks. So, I can attack you, or am I wrong?

Ehr scuse me.. I'm goin' to barge in right now. How do you intereprete a direct attack on a forum?! I don't get it. If I whould give you the 'F' word. Whould that be classified as an direct assault?

Really, I 'F'-ed all people (aspecially my ex-girlfriend). But surely, I cannot expect from someone to feel that as a direct attack.

Second of all: I think all persons might leave them in there 'value' I guess. Ok, Patriek can be direct! Sure! But I love him for that!

I think he is, and always will be a valuable asset in the MSX community.

There's always two sides to a conflict, although each side thinks he is on the 'right' side. Would help greatly if each side just realises that, knowing that the other party acts as he thinks properly as well. Fine. The only thing I don't get is why all this has to be discussed in public. If there are two parties to a conflict, it's a lot wiser if these two parties try to solve (or to deny) it in private. Throwing all on the streets involves other parties who probably don't have a clue of what the conflict really is about and the conflict tends to get screwed up totally. As for me, I don't know what this conflict is about (except for the fact that I know it's between two persons who basically don't like each other), but I do wonder why it has to be fought out on public forums.

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There's always two sides to a conflict

Ehr.. Come again?! Don't get philosophic on me Rieks! I think this is just black and white thinking.

I'm on the third side I guess!

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of some of the guys reacting first to my initial post. Much after that, pitpan then started attacking me with slander and calumny!
Since the MRC moderation is lacking today, for some reason, I was forced to defend myself somewhat. Nobody else is doing that for me, which is the whole issue.

None of you MRC folks seem to care, I've seen MRC admins online all day... Where's the moderation gone? You'll let this done to me?

If the roles were reversed, I'd be banned thrice already before this damned thread started.

I hoped you'd have gotten rid of the double standards...

WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO TO DESERVE ALL THIS?!?!??!?!!!!!

you get laid... and some us don't ?...

hmm, there are too many posts i'd like to quote buts thats too much work at 05:08

but i'd like to say that i think GuyveR800 is quite a bit blind to why he 'deserves' this all. maybe you are used to being liked all the time. but apparantly some just dont fit in your category (incl me). as for me, i only like to 'attack' when i think you are behaving bad. its similar to the judgement of a moderator that chooses to moderate, or do nothing.

oh, i thought you were gone already but did you consider the unanswered questions of people that are eager to have an answer to their questions? or do you think that 'just 3' (you mentioned you'd ban thrice somewhere (which would obviously include me )) people can 'kick' you of a public forum??
you give up to quick..

pfffffffffffffff...

Well, Guyver (or, checking back, it is actually BiFi making the claim), I and BiFi and a couple of others (IC for example a few messages ago) *do* back you up often enough, in public.

Anyways, back to the OP, I can understand that you want to have a timeout at the MRC forums. You have obviously been getting more and more annoyed by the way things are going on here, and I can imagine it is not very pleasant to keep on being the center of negative attention by a certain few people. On the other hand, you *do* invite it a little, usually.

I am totally behind IC's 02:01 post. The thing is, communication over the internet is different from real life. There is a lack of expression. Basically, people on the one hand are easier offended, on the other hand people feel less held back in their responses. Smilies help a little, but they do not fix everything.

You express yourself the same way on the internet as you do in real life. IRL I say 'fuck you' to someone a hundred times without offending him or her. On the internet, even when backed up with a smiley, it doesn't work that way, especially not when you already have a bad relation with that person. The difference between 'you act like an asshole' and 'you are an asshole' is virtually nonexistant on the internet. By the way, I also think there is a difference in interpretation between Dutch and English. Anyways, when people start feeling offended, they will say 'fuck you' in return, and this time without the smiley, and stop to see the rest of the message, only the insults are left.

Well. Anyways. I say, just acknowledge the above (or a variation of it) for a fact, and accept that not everyone responds well to a message written without much tact. You choose to express yourself like that (just like, say, Ro), and you can know on beforehand the kind of responses you will get from those people. Just don't let it get to you. There will and are other people backing you up, so you don't need to feel like you're on your own or something. Ro said: "I've been called names before, some I deserved others I didn't. Same with you. Stand above it dude, I know I do (really I don't give a rat's ass on what you might think of me.. whooah. well not all entirely true.. euh)", and I really think he is right there.

And to pitpan: I think you're a hypocrite. "Patriek has been the essential reference of the MRC forum.", come ON! You obviously can't wait to see him gone, so don't go all ass-kissy and pretending to 'really be of good intentions and appreciating him as a person'. You do that all the time, bah! And about your skills at law - I have serious doubts about them as well.

Ah, well, I think every judge will immediately tell both of you to stop wasting his time with quarrels like this. The mere notion is rediculous. Well, maybe not in the US.

Summarizing, I can understand you being fed up with all the bashing, but you're not on the tactful side yourself either often enough, so that cancels eachother out if you ask me. Leaving the MRC forums is not the solution, the real solution is to either change the way you express yourself, or accept that these things come your way now and again. The latter seems the easiest to me, and a critical note, speaking your mind, is nessecary sometimes and thus very much appreciated (though not by all, I guess ).


~Grauw

ooh, boohoo guyver!!
Now, you know I'm the kinda person who likes to start a little riot now and then, but this is just getting rediculous.

Guyver, it is YOU who should stand above it all and show how it's done. I mean; stop talking all that crap if you want to deserve some respect (if there's any left) Really you should consider your reactions on this topic. THINK before TALK(write)

I'm sure I would defend you in this matter, but it's YOU who's gotta stop talk crap and call names etc. (even tho you might be right, you really should calm down and take credits by NOT offending others anymore than you allready do)

Ppl, Patriek really is a nice guy. So am I and the next person. Some times we can get a bit emotional (we're all human here.. well, except DHAU ofcourse ) and behave like a monkey. And there are other times when we need to sit down, relax and reconsider. Overstimulation is a bore. So let's lock this topic and move on like we're all best pen-pals.

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So let's lock this topic and move on like we're all best pen-pals.

I'f afraid that just locking this topic right now, will not end this. Maybe for a few days, but then it will just start all over again. We don't need a locked topic, but change of mentality...

what if you all just replace potentially harsch language with silly msx characters .. ?

so, instead of: 'you f*cking asshole' use: 'you silly penguin' .. or 'you rusty old metallion' etc.

ok ok .. silly .. , but you can fix most issues by avoiding potentially harsch language..

OMG... this has gone way beyond ridiculousness... Ludicrous even! ... I think Patriek gets a bit too passionate when argueing, and sometimes even argues just for the sake of argueing (I remember one time on an MSX fair when we released Judgement of Sound that he came to our stand and argued about our disk-labels being too fancy for just a 'music-demo' ... 10 years later, we still don't get the point of that argument)

Anyway, I kinda forgot my point now ... just don't be offended that easily, and as I said before USE AN ABUNDANT AMOUNT OF SMILEYS!! even when you mean something