...and as soon as the profits start to vanish, all this "so interested in the MSX" companies will move on to another topic, forgetting everything about MSX, as they did in the past.

You do not share my opinions, so, please do not pretend that I should share yours. This is an open forum, isn't it? Well: Revival -in the way it is being done- does not fit my expectatives. Nothing planned for Europe yet. No sites in english. No information. Nothing like a real MSX. No new MSX software published yet. The amateur community has beaten all that: new hardware, new software, lots of projects and worldwide. Revival cannot stand such comparison.

And about Marat, his emulator is sold only for Windows platform. You can download all the source code, like ASCII people did and pretend to sell it without a license. Finally, they made an agreement with Marat. By the way, Marat does not intend to have the flame of truth in his hand, like others do.

I do not understand MRC position in all this, seriously. It sounds many times so interested and there are a lot of incongruences.

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You do not share my opinions, so, please do not pretend that I should share yours.

No one does PitPan, no one does.

I'm not pretending you should share my opinions, but I think it should be possible to discuss our difference in opinion(s). That's what a forum is meant for. So if you express an opinion on the MRC forums, you can expect people to agree or disagree with you.

How are you so sure there is nothing planned for Europe yet? I agree that none of the products that have come available thanks to the MSX Revival are (legally) available outside of Japan, but that doesn't mean there are no plans to introduce products outside of Japan, does it? I agree with you that most of the MSX Revival products are more interesting to people who are not actively using MSX computers (anymore).

MSX Association have expressed more than once that their intention is to release their products outside of Japan as well, but doing that takes a lot of time. Microsoft is getting in the way, translation is not as simple as it seems and there could be quite some money involved. Yokoi once explained the MSX Association's approach as 'as a cow'. Step by step, slowly, they work to the point where they want to be. On every step they eveluate if they are going the right direction, if they are not losing money, etc. etc. etc. This prevents the MSX Association from going bankrupt. I think, with a market as small and difficult as the MSX-market, it's the only right way to go at the moment.

About Marat Fayzullin: ASCII did not sell MSXPLAYer without a license. MRC got a leaked beta-version of the PLAYer and published it on msx.org, while Marat and MSX Association were still negotiating about fMSX. ASCII did nothing wrong, we did.

You of all people should know there is new, official, MSX Software coming up: (e.g.) Guru Logic for MSX by Aiky. What makes you so sure there aren't any other titles planned? Or that this game will only be released in Japan? Once again, it takes time to develop software for MSX. You can't expect new software to be released a day after companies regained their interest in MSX.

I agree though that the interest of many companies in MSX will be lost as soon as they won't gain any money with it anymore. But that is real life. Every company does that. I'll tell you a secret: many of the amateurs who released software or hardware for MSX in the 90s made huge piles of money with it, and they quit the scene when they started to make less money. Some people are still making quite a lot of money with MSX. Have a look on Ebay and you'll see what I mean.

The 'MRC Position in all of this' is simple. Being negative isn't getting us anywhere, so therefor we are positive about all new initiatives related to MSX. Commercial and non-commercial. Revival and non-revival. To me, personally, the ideas behind the One Chip MSX are very interesting, as it could potentially become a 'modern MSX'.

What I'm trying to say is: you might think I'm naive, having this much 'faith' in the MSX Revival. But I base that 'faith' on personal experiences (attending lectures of Nishi, meeting Nishi at MSX Association HQ, being the projectmanager of Guru Logic). So far the MSX Revival has only surprised me in a positive way. From the start, I never even thought they would get this far. The 'overseas'-plans are still there and the one-chip plans are still there as well. I think it's just a matter of time until we hear more about both of them. I think it's very naive to be so negative about something you know so little about. First get your facts straight, then draw your conclusions please.

How do you mean M$ is getting in the way? Everyone is telling me M$ only hac (C) on the MSX Basic Interperter. It shouldn't be too hard to make a compatible basic to distribute with new MSX(-emulators).
Or has M$ a bigger hand in all this?

If I knew those kind of details MRC would already have reported about it

None of the most succesful MSX games make use of the BASIC part, they just use the BIOS. So, if ASCII is (or was) the legally entitled owner, as it could be read in the MSX BIOS listings, then why wasn't it distributed?

If you use the MSX PLAYER + a ROM game, the BASIC part does not need to be loaded. I think that it is a poor excuse to not afford a world-wide distribution of it. Again, it is only my opinion, and only Nishi knows the true about this.

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If I knew those kind of details MRC would already have reported about it

It's the reason I still believe the M in MSX stands for M$...
But, then again. That is just my opinion

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How are you so sure there is nothing planned for Europe yet? I agree that none of the products that have come available thanks to the MSX Revival are (legally) available outside of Japan, but that doesn't mean there are no plans to introduce products outside of Japan, does it? I agree with you that most of the MSX Revival products are more interesting to people who are not actively using MSX computers (anymore).

I think that's not quite correct. Since we are allowed to show the Ese- msx2 board, which is the basic for the all in one chip. And second the permission to distribute the Gamereader, a little different but according to almost exactly to same chipset.
So Pitpan, as you probably know we visit from time to time the Madrid-fair, so you can see for yourself what it is all about. There is also a new update for the all in one chip recently.
However, what I see in the over-all discussion is that MSX Revival is pretended to be be only japanese. I think this is wrong. everyone contributes on its way to the Revival !!

Hmz Rob, I think you misunderstood Snout or misread or something What is not "quite correct"? Your reply does not answer nor discuss the lines you quote.

Anyway, you're right that everyone contributes in his own way! PitPan also contributes to a MSX revival by creating new software for MSX1, maybe he doesn't see it like that himself though

The meaning of it was to refer to the availability of products (legally ) outside Japan.
Misunderstood no, perhaps a little premature since the availabilty comes is perhaps a better formulated, since the this gamereader comes.
And since pitpan lives in spain , he can visit a madrid fair, then he can see what the gamereader is, what the all in one chip is etc.
That was my intention Bart , oh and besides Project EGG is cheaper than 20 euro.
Between 700 and 1250 yen a game is max 10 euro.

Hmmzzz... IIRC you should divide the Yen price with 100, to obtain the price in Euros. So that makes the maximum price €12,50... Minor [D-Tail], I guess

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Hmz Rob, I think you misunderstood Snout or misread or something What is not "quite correct"? Your reply does not answer nor discuss the lines you quote. Anyway, you're right that everyone contributes in his own way! PitPan also contributes to a MSX revival by creating new software for MSX1, maybe he doesn't see it like that himself though

Bart, would you really say that the MSX Revival was there all along since 1994 or so? I don't get what you're trying to say... Because the revival's in the running since 2K1, you'd say, that anything made for/related to MSX since that year is contributing to the revival? I don't think so...

I really think the revival's still too Japanese. And that's a bad thing, 'cause I don't read Japanese.

Just do your own revival, don't wait on the Japanese. If someday the two somehow match, well that's fine then, but until then, do your own revival.

For me the biggest aspect of a revival is new USEFUL hardware for development, and cross-development (dunno if cross-development is a taboo.. ).

maybe a poll-idea ?

Crossdevelopment is
[1] Great
[2] Evil

Teletext pages 543/544 gives the exact rates as regards the yen/euro
I multiply by 0.8 normally , the actual rate is 0.8181
But still a lot cheaper as 20 euro !