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Quote: Hmz Rob, I think you misunderstood Snout or misread or something What is not "quite correct"? Your reply does not answer nor discuss the lines you quote. Anyway, you're right that everyone contributes in his own way! PitPan also contributes to a MSX revival by creating new software for MSX1, maybe he doesn't see it like that himself though Bart, would you really say that the MSX Revival was there all along since 1994 or so? I don't get what you're trying to say... Because the revival's in the running since 2K1, you'd say, that anything made for/related to MSX since that year is contributing to the revival? I don't think so... I really think the revival's still too Japanese. And that's a bad thing, 'cause I don't read Japanese.

Read: "contributes to a MSX revival" I didn't mention the MSX Revival. When talking about the MSX Revival, people tend to mean the revival taking place mainly in Japan. I was talking about MSX revival generally. This leaves room for everyone's own "revival" and the possibility that in the end we all are enjoying the same global revival!

Yeah... Yer rite. But please, don't use the r-word when you're not talking 'bout THE revival Just for avoiding lil' mistakes

That's one way of keeping people from really reading a post

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Yeah... Yer rite. But please, don't use the r-word when you're not talking 'bout THE revival Just for avoiding lil' mistakes

This was a problem in most of the 'revival' threads I posted in too. For some reason people don't realise that since 2000 or so, there's been a revival in the dutch MSX scene.

Some countries claim that the MSX activity is still the same, like in Brasil, and even thought that might be the case (I can't judge that) it's still a fact that that their activity is enjoyed globally now, in stead of domestic only. So that too can be called a revival (or a revolution ).

Even in Japan, the renewed commercial interest in MSX was preceded by a revival among the MSX users.

The MSX Revival is a global thing! The MSX Revival is US, WE did it.

MSX Association is riding on the waves of OUR revival, and we should be proud that we have made it possible that MSX is commercially attractive again, and attracting new MSX users through education and emulation.

And THAT is the BIG difference between the MSX Revival and the so-called C64 revival.

"problem" though is that the "Commodore Revival" is getting a lot more attention in the media though. I saw the MSX in the Media thread, but how about getting it really big into the media?
It's a shame, since the MSX-revival seems to be a lot more focused on the machine, while the Commodore revival is just a way to earn money with the brand name.

Maybe OmegaMSX should use his connections in Hilverdorp to get MSX in the media in a big way

TFH: Do you have any idea how much attention the MSX revival got in the Japanese media? How many bookstores were selling the MSX Magazines at the most important hotspots of their shops? I've been there during the release of the second MSX Magazine and was very impressed with what I saw. I think that if similar things will happen in Europe, MSX will get more media coverage in Europe as well.

MSX rules the EARTH

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TFH: Do you have any idea how much attention the MSX revival got in the Japanese media? How many bookstores were selling the MSX Magazines at the most important hotspots of their shops? I've been there during the release of the second MSX Magazine and was very impressed with what I saw. I think that if similar things will happen in Europe, MSX will get more media coverage in Europe as well.

I am of course talking about European/Western media. Everyhthing that is happening in Japan is all fine and stuff, but pretty much useless to most people here on this side of the world.

I don't f*cking care where the MSX revival takes place. Japan, USA, Brasil, Europe or Antarctica for god's sake, as long there is an MSX revival SOMEWHERE, it is something to get VERY excited about. We are a global community!

Well Commodore is a strange company they sold 17.000.000 commodore 64's back in the years they where released they costed about €450 thats 450 * 17.000.000 = €7.650.000.000 how the hell you can lose such amount of money thats weird.

so i think that the amount of c64's sold is a little bit overated

And about the WAR Between Commodore & MSX:
It has never ended, it never sleeps until all old MSX & Commodore users are death (if the MHC/CHM* gens are not have been given thru to the children)

* MSX Hate Commodore GEN:

This gen causes a alergic reaction when confronted with a Commodore its normal like every one should be.....

But becarefull!!!!!!!!!!! some time's MSX'rs like to smash c64's in to pieces
MSX has better looks than the c64.
MSX has better graphics
MSX has better sound (SCC,MSX MUSIC,MSX AUDIO,PSG so fuck you SID )

* Commodore Hate MSX GEN:

This Gen is very weird it works like LSD it makes you Loonatic and lets you think
horrible things like :

That Metalgear on C64 is the best
That MSX is not cool
My c64 sounds better than a moonsound
My c64 looks so nice (even my granny looks better than a C64)

uh .. if a c64 costs 450E in the shop.. well, that doesn't mean that commodore can put 450E in their pocket for each sold C64, does it?

subtract some VAT .. -> 350 euro .. subtract the profit for the shop... 30% prolly ... ~ -> 250 euro .. perhaps some 30% profit for commodore .. -> 75 euro for each sold C64. (and I prolly forgot the VAT for Commodore )

Now, calc what the research costs.. and all the employees ..

ok ok ok ..... grrr LOL

€1.275.000.000

Poisonic's got a point you know... A figure of about 1.5 billion dollars is a lot of cash to 'misplace', especially considering we're talking about the 80's. I don't think US$ 88 is an unreasonable amount of profit to assume. That would be a profit margin of a little under 20% of the retail value, sounds about right. And remember that the VAT amount of the retail price includes all the VAT previously paid, which means that commodore doesn't pay any VAT, the consumer does. But, back to the point Poisonic was making, how the hell does a company that probably had a gross profit of US$ 1.500.000.000,- in the 80's! (yes, I know this is over a number of years) manage to go bankrupt in such a spectacular way. Quite impressive. MSX didn't have anything near those sales figures, and even then it was divided over a large amount of manufacturers and somehow managed to outlive commodore...