There is no snout.

I knew it!!!

Ah.. Call it what ever you want guys.. Revival.. Or no revival..
It seems to me MSX had a real big dip (somewhat in 1997 to me)

Imho it was a dead system.. I haven't touched a MSX in what.. 7 years... And no every bone, every muscle and every tormented brain cell is asking me to sit and enjoy my beutifull MSX-machine

Develop some soft, play a few games.. Ah well.. What should I call this?

To me MSX is living up again. You can see it here in the forums, at the irc channels, the parties, the fairs, the competitions..

Hell.. If MSX was dead? Why am I on this site

It's always fun to see such an 'obsolete' system having an increasing number of users lately.

Now that's a revival

Maybe there's an explaination for all these revivals.. in the last number of years the PC's got way faster, and videocards also became faster. That made it was easier to make a game.. and perhaps also less fun, because the challange was gone. Maybe ppl want to go back to a limited system, just to keep themself in shape (creative).

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There is no such thing as a growing msx community. There are no people putting all their free time in this site. There are no dead people. What's next?

i are putting all my free time!!!

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Hell.. If MSX was dead? Why am I on this site

You got here by mistake. In fact, this is not even happening. None of this is real... By the time I count to three, you will fall into a deep, deep sleep. You will wake up tomorrow, and remember none of this. This never occured. There is no revival. There is no spoon. There is no snout... one... two...

07:00 beep! beep! beep! beep!

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There is no such thing as a growing msx community. There are no people putting all their free time in this site. There are no dead people. What's next?

Orders for Moonsounds and GFX9000 from MSX-1 lovers !

hmmm... maybe I stated my a bit wrong way... I am not really waiting that old Msx companies should start building msx-1 computers once again... (thought that is a really C*O*O*L idea! heh! 2;o) and if someone really starts building msx-1 systems commercially, buyers mostly are super-die-hard-msx-1-lovers and some collectors too.. mainstream people don´t touch old thingys even if they are in new cases.

What I meant is I am angry because there are only a few humans doing new software for MSX-1... (or only a few, who put their msx-1 software to the WEB) and most people seems to fancy msx-2 and higher, of course there is nothing bad with it... but it makes me really sad... of course there are many many msx-users today just using their msx-1 comps! But I have seen (in the internet) new MSX-1 programs so rarely compared to newer msxs. Most non-commercial msx-1 progs I have found are from between 80´s and middle of the 90´s. That does not automatically mean there are no msx-1 software creators around the globe, but A) they don´t put their work to internet and B) I mostly search english written sites or at least sites which are written in some other european language, japanese sites are mostly too difficult to understand what´s going on except screenshots.

and I think it´s nice that someones are producing new real ´msx´ even that it is something todays hi-tech thingymagic I don´t understand....

I am more than a bit puritan in when it comes to computers. I just love the look and sound of games of the beginning of the 80´s, it doesn´t matter too much to me which computer system game it is, as long as it is OLD. So I guess someone could call me old-skooler.

But even I can´t recover all that "old feeling" what I had in the eighties... but there is still enough "old thoughts" in my head ...

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Nishi stated in his speech in Tilburg that MSX2 actually should have been the MSX system, but because Yamaha could not deliver the V9938 in time, the MSX1 system was rushed to market.

That is really interesting to hear...! almost something like if goverments globally say "Citizens, do you know what? THE U.F.O.s ARE REAL!! THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!! " ... err.. maybe not.. but that was great thing to hear... hmmm.... maybe I should build time-machine car and get interpreter with me and go back in time to japan to pressure YAMAHA bosses to make their bloody V9938 in time and then I could stay for a while in the eighties with my all new just bought MSX and say "PISS OFF with ur crap shitty travesty of computer!!! THIS IS THE GOD OF ALL COMPUTERS!! LAY DOWN AND PRAY YOUR NEW GOD!!" to every commodore 64 owner... hehe...

hmmm... I guess that working time machine car is easily built, but they propably throw / threw me out from the Yamaha´s front door..... so here we are with coleco like first generation msx.

Hmm... I did something wrong with that quote-thingy... if I want to quote something should I left off those "[" and "]" characters...?

I don´t think they would be not competing in msx-1 game development competitions, if there is no prizes... of course someone would compete! I was just frustrated for I haven´t found many msx-1 programs from the web....

and do not get me wrong, I am not blaming msx-dev style competitions in any way, they are GREAT thing!

and another thingy I want to say, is don´t get me wrong either, that I don´t mean every msx-2 owners should make msx-1 programs. Only few msx-2 users should be forced to slaves to work for their GOD, msx-1.... hehehhe maybe not really...! hehehehhehehehehehe !!! please don´t get those sentences too seriously!

and for speaking about msx, they are msx-users who know there are differencies between msx-comps... I guess at least 95% of all other computer users of the ´80s (either those who forgot their old comps in beginning of the 90s or those who still use their non-msx comps) think msx is just msx-1 (even if they don´t know the word "msx-1".

Like this mathematical thing I found from the web one day:


Spectrum < MSX < Commodore


it just felt SO STUPID! How can Commodore (which most propably means 64 model) be compared to MSX-2 ?! (a: it can´t!)

did you noticed that? I, msx -1 puritan praised msx-2! (and whole msx-family in same time!) (thought I still think that msx-1 is far superior to commodore 64 in many ways!)

And still, even if I am MSX-1 puritan, I am not meaning to stir up any hostility between msx-1 and msx-2 and msx-2+ and turbo r and future msx machine users. They all are the same MSX - FAMILY!!! We all are the same MSX - FAMILY!!! This may sound weird after my first comments in this topic, but I really think we are the msx-family. But I still like MSX-1 the most ! Even if I have Philips NMS-8250 and use mostly it nowadays... thought mostly for msx-1 gaming purposes. it has two great things: 1) it has msx-1 emulator built in! (great!) I say emulator 5;o) , because not all original cassette software loads with it and 2) it has built in disk drive! (great too!)

and OK, you have convinced me that there IS support for msx-1 too and that´s really great!!! I am just waiting to see more games ! (like we all!

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it has msx-1 emulator built in! (great!) I say emulator 5;o) , because not all original cassette software loads with it

If the software is made for MSX computers, then it should work. (I know, that there was some software sold in Finland, that did not meet MSX standard, but was hard coded for SVI memory layout)

Try booting the computer with SHIFT key down and type " POKE -1,(15-PEEK(-1)\16)*17 " before you load the game. That might work for some of the badly coded games.

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What I meant is I am angry because there are only a few humans doing new software for MSX-1... (or only a few, who put their msx-1 software to the WEB) and most people seems to fancy msx-2 and higher, of course there is nothing bad with it... but it makes me really sad...

The biggest problem with developing for MSX1 is that it's really really really cumbersome to work with cassettes. Ofcourse there are external diskdrives for MSX1, and there may even be some MSX1 models with built-in diskdrive, but they are all (sometimes extremely) rare.
I've been looking for a 720K external diskdrive for years, and I've not found one.

So, if you want to use diskdrive, the easiest and most common way is to use a MSX2.
Then, if you're using a MSX2, why not use MSX2 features? It seems silly to limit yourself on purpose to MSX1 while you have a MSX2!

These are the factors which a developer is confronted with.

A lot of MSX1 computers have 32K RAM, so even if you do have a diskdrive, it's very limited. The easiest and best way to program for MSX1 is using ROM format, IMO.
The problem with that is very few people have FlashROM cartridges or EPROM burners to be able to play your .ROM program.
So what do you end up with? Using a MSX2 with large Memory Mapper to load the .ROM program!

So while the actual programming of MSX1 games is not too difficult (although more programmers feel at home in bitmap screenmodes vs. pattern modes), the biggest problem is actually running these programs in most MSX1 computers.

Guyve, did you mean those problems, that msx-1 machine code program which works on one msx-1, don´t work on another manufacturer´s msx-1, like Operation Wolf didn´t load on my Toshiba hx-10, but in the shop it loaded on spectravideo svi-728 ...

Kiitos Nyyrikki but that pressing SHIFT down while booting and then POKE -1,(15-PEEK(-1)\16)*17 didn´t help on certain original cassette games... Livewire´s Alpha Blaster and Congo won´t load and Ocean´s Donkey Kong has same problem too... They load very well on msx-1. Gremlin Graphics´ games load as they should thought and Jet Set Willy too!

I guess that "Vanhassa vara parempi" ! ( translated from finnish: "Old good MSX-1 is still better! " ) hehheh

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Nishi stated in his speech in Tilburg that MSX2 actually should have been the MSX system, but because Yamaha could not deliver the V9938 in time, the MSX1 system was rushed to market.

I understood years ago that MSX was designed and made purposely of cheaper old technology parts to make it cheaper so everyone could buy MSX to help MSX spread all over the world.

When they announced commodore 64 in 1982, it costed 1000 us$.

If MSX-2 was meant to be the MSX system... it cannot be hard to guess, that MSX-2 had expensive technology inside it. So MSX had been then VERY expensive computer in beginning of the 1983. And much more people had been forced to leave MSX to shelves because of very high price.

I like to hear what you all think about this fact.