The MSX Revival crossing Japanese borders... Does he still think it being a farce?

No Revival ??? Solve this Quiz :

http://www.msx.org/forumtopic4018.html

The very point which is a fact the MSX-1 is still the foundation to every MSX computer ever made and will be made. There simply is not comparism between when using the term REVIVAL, or is this term too vague; the MSX is not dead yet, not at the rate. Nothing is dead because it still exsist in the world or else it would be extinct. The MSX computer is a just one of many heart beats we have beating everyday, until we decide not to let it beat, then we will mostly pdie from it or just simply, forget it. I truly believe that without the technolgy of the Z80 and the MSX computer, we wouldn't be here to debate it's exsistence. No matter what, we are all here for the MSX either we like it or hate it.

For a low of people around the world, owning any MSX is a very special thing, and for the rest of the world, they don't have a chance. So lets make the best of it. MäSäXi: what would you like to see in the future.... people here on this board chating and posting their replies or just you alone posting something nobody cares about?

One last thing for all, although many companies have tried to remake some classic computers to a modern pc/web thingy, like to C64 internet appliance or Sinclair Z80 Telephone device but failed,it all comes to ; We love our older computers, if not why emulated them in the beginning?

Had MSX become the world standard, would we all be posting here so eagerly? Would this site even have existed? Aren't we mainly here to seek for other "outcasts" () who also use or once used this "obsolete" MSX computer, just like ourselves?

To state the obvious again: If this "revival" will rely on the user-friendly treats and general compatibility of the MSX system, it might have some chance, IMHO.

Just my two cents, cheers,

John

Oh no, I struck dead the conversation again! *LOL*

How to revive MSX (fragments from upcoming book "MSX Revival for Dummies"

- check if the power cord is plugged and MSX receive current (gently touch wires with your index fingers. If you have a funny sensation, you have the power. If you don't feel anything, your'e either already dead or you didn't plug the power cord properly.

- once the power cord is connected, try to find the power switch. Sometimes those switches are on the left side, sometimes on the right, in rare ocasions they are on the back of MSX. Flip the switch. If you see some leds turning on on your MSX, congratulations! You just revived your MSX! If not, keep on reading for the troubleshooting steps.

- unplug your MSX from power and lift it above the floor for about 0.5M. Drop it. Make sure you don't drop it on your feet. Some MSX systems are pretty heavy. For instance dropping Philips NMS-8255 on you foot could be a very memorable experience, but we don't recomend trying it at home. After you dropped your MSX, some hidden electrons in PCB circuitry will move around and warm up stagnated chips. You should plug your MSX to power and check if you revived your computer. I hope you did! If not, get rid of your MSX, go to eBay, buy a new MSX computer. Once you received it, start the whole process again.

We are sure that you, dear MSX user, sooner or later will revive MSX and become one happy person!

Best wishes,

Microsoft Press

One question... Why Microsoft Press? Wasn't it Kay Nishi himself who said that?

I read parts of this old topic:

1“HOW CAN YOU CALL ALL THIS FARCE AS REVIVAL!!!???
If there is no support at all for THE ORIGINAL MACHINE, MSX-1 then there is no revival at all....”
2“For these everyday, Internet-bound tasks, processor power aren’t that important, when compared to band size, connectivity and standards compliance -- and those are the benefits a new MSX is better posed to bring. Let the server clusters do the heavy processing”
3“Yes, I am thinking in all those people who doesn't know MSX before, and a new -MSX-thing- is much better than a emulator for PC anyway
4“Sure you can play games on the PC, but you have to start all sorts of software and install all sorts of things.
With the MSX you put a cartidge into the slot and voila you can play.
And in the future all things will go back to one device. And that was exactly what a MSX in, multiple devices in one package”
5“To be honest, I think none of us NEVER will recover the "old feeling", because MSX machines were uniques in their time (80's and early 90's), and now is totally different”
6“I think that loving for the machine must come from INSIDE OF YOU!!!
FROM YOUR HEAD!!!FROM YOUR HEART !!!!!!!!!!NO ONE CAN BUY LOVE !!! “

My conclusion: (I’m sleep… these it’s just a dream)

I just a beginner, if I compare with you…my friends, I’m a real beginner… but isn’t necessary to be a smart person to know… must be a miracle to revive the holy fire of MSX.

I see in Mr. Nishi’s idea just like a personal business, but… must be a business to be a real revival.
It’s true, lets servers do the heavy processing… but not do programs to the Nishi’s personal projects… anyway… I remember to…
I don’t want to pay any game at Nishi’s server.

I have a vision of the future modern MSX (jeje),… (if the miracle it’s possible):

First: the most important, the system must be totally compatible MSX (1) machine, isn’t a MSX if it’s incompatible with olds MSX machines… I don’t like the idea of Nishi to build a machine the most compatible possible… should be 100% compatible.

2: Small machine, practical, without many cables… , put the computer on my back, to enjoy big capabilities on my friend’s flat TV or any monitor in any place.

3: Cheap machine… have a soul of home computer…can’t be expensive.

4: A good/cheap processor, with a compatible z80 set code (without emulation)… with extensions to be really powerfully: like example in pc’s: intel x-86 + IA-64 or x-86+K64.
The machine must keep the compatibility at all …always!!!

5: A very good video, this is a strongly point on any MSX machine…

6: A rational memory

7: Be opened to the new technologies… usb… sata…etc

The computer must be retro in all ways, keeping soul:
If I use cartidges to play a games faster… and the memory’s are cheapest and growing up faster… why not?…will use a kind of rom some day…all will reduce to small multifuntional computer...

End of my dream…


A fanatic of C64/128 believes some day in a revival like us (you draw a smile like me)… but if you ask him for revival an MSX… he we smile to… because he think: “it’s impossible”

My Resume (based in old topics):
The MSX it’s really unique, it’s flying in especial “atmosphere”, to difficult to recreate… maybe some day…maybe never… obviously…. (Never)…. But the true is “the love for this machine must come from INSIDE OF YOU”…
The best way to keep alive this machine…it’s like always do… with Z80a running slow, or doing experiments to run faster... playing simple games, doing pascal…basic… remembering old times. (My English it’s poor)

I can remember December 25 of 1985… my daddy gift me my fist computer… a Talent DPC-210 (it’s like Daewoo)….

We play to many nights galaga to get a new record.
I was 6 years old… I can see when his smile me…

The revival is what you make of it yourself. I don't think the commercial revival the way Nishi made us believe will ever happen.

If there is a market for the MSX, it's games. An MSX game console/handheld like the Nintendo DS.
But why should a gamer buy an MSX?

I'm positive about the future of the MSX. New games and tools are developed and new hardware. But it will and be a nische market.

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I read parts of this old topic: 1“HOW CAN YOU CALL ALL THIS FARCE AS REVIVAL!!!??? If there is no support at all for THE ORIGINAL MACHINE, MSX-1 then there is no revival at all....” 2“For these everyday, Internet-bound tasks, processor power aren’t that important, when compared to band size, connectivity and standards compliance -- and those are the benefits a new MSX is better posed to bring. Let the server clusters do the heavy processing” 3“Yes, I am thinking in all those people who doesn't know MSX before, and a new -MSX-thing- is much better than a emulator for PC anyway 4“Sure you can play games on the PC, but you have to start all sorts of software and install all sorts of things. With the MSX you put a cartidge into the slot and voila you can play. And in the future all things will go back to one device. And that was exactly what a MSX in, multiple devices in one package” 5“To be honest, I think none of us NEVER will recover the "old feeling", because MSX machines were uniques in their time (80's and early 90's), and now is totally different” 6“I think that loving for the machine must come from INSIDE OF YOU!!! FROM YOUR HEAD!!!FROM YOUR HEART !!!!!!!!!!NO ONE CAN BUY LOVE !!! “ My conclusion: (I’m sleep… these it’s just a dream) I just a beginner, if I compare with you…my friends, I’m a real beginner… but isn’t necessary to be a smart person to know… must be a miracle to revive the holy fire of MSX. I see in Mr. Nishi’s idea just like a personal business, but… must be a business to be a real revival. It’s true, lets servers do the heavy processing… but not do programs to the Nishi’s personal projects… anyway… I remember to… I don’t want to pay any game at Nishi’s server. I have a vision of the future modern MSX (jeje),… (if the miracle it’s possible): First: the most important, the system must be totally compatible MSX (1) machine, isn’t a MSX if it’s incompatible with olds MSX machines… I don’t like the idea of Nishi to build a machine the most compatible possible… should be 100% compatible. 2: Small machine, practical, without many cables… , put the computer on my back, to enjoy big capabilities on my friend’s flat TV or any monitor in any place. 3: Cheap machine… have a soul of home computer…can’t be expensive. 4: A good/cheap processor, with a compatible z80 set code (without emulation)… with extensions to be really powerfully: like example in pc’s: intel x-86 + IA-64 or x-86+K64. The machine must keep the compatibility at all …always!!! 5: A very good video, this is a strongly point on any MSX machine… 6: A rational memory 7: Be opened to the new technologies… usb… sata…etc The computer must be retro in all ways, keeping soul: If I use cartidges to play a games faster… and the memory’s are cheapest and growing up faster… why not?…will use a kind of rom some day…all will reduce to small multifuntional computer... End of my dream… A fanatic of C64/128 believes some day in a revival like us (you draw a smile like me)… but if you ask him for revival an MSX… he we smile to… because he think: “it’s impossible” My Resume (based in old topics): The MSX it’s really unique, it’s flying in especial “atmosphere”, to difficult to recreate… maybe some day…maybe never… obviously…. (Never)…. But the true is “the love for this machine must come from INSIDE OF YOU”… The best way to keep alive this machine…it’s like always do… with Z80a running slow, or doing experiments to run faster... playing simple games, doing pascal…basic… remembering old times. (My English it’s poor) I can remember December 25 of 1985… my daddy gift me my fist computer… a Talent DPC-210 (it’s like Daewoo)…. We play to many nights galaga to get a new record. I was 6 years old… I can see when his smile me…

Point 7 see the phoshoots of Nijmegen 2006 , serial ata established !

I think with all people interested in MSX, could be interesting (is all MSX'ers dream) and could be possible with all comunity support, to develop a MSX of new generation capable to compete with actual consoles and PC's. Because we must remember that an MSX is a platform that combines both videogaming and office work. And actually there's no platform combining this two things, I say, consoles are for videogaming and PC are for office work.

I'm talking about a new MSX with a powerfull processor, with support for Z80 and R800. This processor must be just made for MSX and with enough capacity to reach objectives I've said. Video processor can be a descendant of V9958 Yamaha according to new times. Internal architecture philosophy can be paralel work, but not dual core, i.e., if you want put 2 CPU working in parallell, put one CPU beside the other. (Why complicate the thing doing dual CPU that after have a large cooler to dissipate all this condensated work?). We can find a Z80, a R800 and two units of this new CPU inside this new MSX-3, and for video processing a pair of new generation V9958. In sound the same philosophy.

An expandable and versatile standard, made by different brands, in competence with PC and actual consoles. A versatile machine in offices or in factories, allowing workers to play the best videogames, making motivation on them and so increase productivity and happiness. Involving family inside her member's works. For example, the son can visit his father at work, when he have a free time, and can take from house his videogame and play in his father office.

This mean versatility. This was MSX proposit when it was created. And now can be very useful because there's no standard making it.

With an eficient and revolutionary operating system (perhaps SymbOS), robust in front of virus and allowing work and play without data loose, or system problems with drivers. Perhaps better with two operating systems, one optimized for working and the other optimized for playing, choosing one SO or the other with a single commuter when power on the machine. And when machine is already turned on you can change by software or manually the state of this commuter and later restart the machine with your desired SO.

Well, a dream that can be reality, a rentable bussiness and a little better live for all pleople (the MSX's contribution for a better live of all world). Every MSX selled machine with 1% or higher prize destinated to the third world, this can be one of the rules of the new MSX, part for MSX 3 standard.

What do you think about all this I have written?

hm.. you want an OCM with a bigger FPGA chip, I guess we first have to make the current one a succes!

IMO it is near-impossible to compete with PCs on price OR performance.

Back in the day (like 1986), PCs were made with off-the-shelf parts so it was possible for MSX to have better abilities by using specially designed chips like V9938. Plus, I think Japanese manufacturers had the superior technology at that time, using more VLSI and surface-mount parts. Today the situation is different, because AMD, Intel, nVidia, etc. who make chips for every PC are the ones who have the best manufacturing capability. Who else can invest in the equipment necessary to make chips with 65 nanometer transistors and compete on a performance basis!? As long as AMD, Intel, and nVidia make such a large volume of parts they will have the money to spend on top-of-the-line tools and R&D.

Meanwhile, the low-end market is filled with old and used PCs. After a new generation of CPUs or video cards comes out then the market price on parts from two or three generations ago can drop to less than those parts cost to produce!

IMO the only way that game consoles can still compete with PC hardware is through good software and ease-of-use.

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An expandable and versatile standard, made by different brands, in competence with PC and actual consoles. A versatile machine in offices or in factories, allowing workers to play the best videogames, making motivation on them and so increase productivity and happiness. Involving family inside her member's works. For example, the son can visit his father at work, when he have a free time, and can take from house his videogame and play in his father office.

What do you think workers do in factories? Playing video games? Have you ever been at work? Do you think a father likes his son to come to his office for playing vidoe games?

Dual core will only be one step to multi core! You need special operating system features for using dual core not available in MSX.