From any point of view, MSX is a dead computer system. However, it is still alive and healthy (?) as a sociologic phenomenum, as we all can see here. But I guess that noone will think of MSX and link it to powerfull processors ATM.

And what's about the other homecomputer systems like ZX81 or Spectrum? Or C64? Or Amstrad? They also still have people supporting it. The phenomenum you mention is not limited to MSX.

Of course it is not. It happens the same all around in different systems.

I only said that MSX is a dead computer system. Luckily enough, MSX users are alive and kicking. Again, I don't want to start a "conceptual" discussion about what a computer system is or what means in this context "dead" or "alive". But there is no possible revival for the MSX as a competitive computer platform.

Even an updated MSX with *ANY* specs will have no space in the commercial computer world. When we think about games, we think of consoles. When we think about computers, there are only PCs and Macs. Or can you buy *ANYTHING ELSE* at a computer store? It is not a problem of specs, it is a problem of marketing. And do not forget that wrong marketing is the main reason that killed the MSX commercially!

pitpan, I believe the term 'MSX Revival' was conceived during a time period in which there was really low MSX activity, the late 90s. Some people probably thought MSX needed a slogan to get attention again....Thus the 'MSX Revival' was born. With the development of a new MSX computer based on FPGA and a newly found interest in the MSX system during the early 00s (in which I believe MRC played a large role), you could say it worked

I personally think the term 'MSX Revival' has worn off. I don't like it that lot anymore. I do still see a constant MSX activity and the 1chipMSX coming up. That's cool! Of course MSX won't ever be able to be a competitive computer platform anymore. Technical nor marketing wise. Usability is another thing, though And indeed, a conceptual discussion about dead or alive computers is boring.

Let's just continue using MSX, ok? That'll do just fine. For all of us

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Let's just continue using MSX, ok? That'll do just fine. For all of us

No more to say.Thumbs up!

The European release of the OCM will -I think- change a few things here and there, mainly things related to activity and "revival".. I'd say, rather than talk about all this revival thing now, let's just wait for the European OCM release, and let the machine sniff around and integrate in this place for a while. After that we'll see whether things are going good or bad..

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What do you think about all this I have written?

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I think with all people interested in MSX, could be interesting (is all MSX'ers dream) and could be possible with all comunity support, to develop a MSX of new generation capable to compete with actual consoles and PC's.

Yes, snakepow, I share this dream.

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Because we must remember that an MSX is a platform that combines both videogaming and office work. And actually there's no platform combining this two things, I say, consoles are for videogaming and PC are for office work.

You also can do videogames on PCs or on MSX emulators running on PCs. So there actually is such a platform combining this two things.

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I'm talking about a new MSX with a powerfull processor, with support for Z80 and R800. This processor must be just made for MSX and with enough capacity to reach objectives I've said.

I once read -- here in MRC? -- about the inventer of the Z80 working on a new processor for MSX.

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Video processor can be a descendant of V9958 Yamaha according to new times. Internal architecture philosophy can be paralel work, but not dual core, i.e., if you want put 2 CPU working in parallell, put one CPU beside the other. (Why complicate the thing doing dual CPU that after have a large cooler to dissipate all this condensated work?). We can find a Z80, a R800 and two units of this new CPU inside this new MSX-3, and for video processing a pair of new generation V9958. In sound the same philosophy.

Inside modern processors, there's lots of parallel working stuff. With FPGA, especially if it would be runtime reconfigurable, there could be a Z80, R800 or whatever you like in a possible new MSX system, even more of them, if there are enough CLBs in the FPGA. But using them in parallel would mean to have a new Operating system.

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An expandable and versatile standard, made by different brands, in competence with PC and actual consoles.

Today, no other standard can really compete against the PC. Sad but true! Even if there would be a totally new idea, it would be very quickly adopted by the PC companies, which have much more economical power than a small group of enthousiasts.

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This mean versatility. This was MSX proposit when it was created. And now can be very useful because there's no standard making it.

In fact, every computer system is more or less versatile.

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... revolutionary operating system ...

What do you think is a revolutionary operating system or at least a revolutionary feature of an operating system? Some people would like e.g. Linux on a possible new MSX, which would be available and would mean that we need not reinvent the wheel ...

Even a new OS would be -- and should be -- very much like already existing ones, so that you need not
spend much time for learning to work with the new one.

Yes, it would be interesting to invent a new OS for a new MSX, but this only would make sense if we already know about the direction of that new MSX and its features. The OCM is new, yes, but is too small (to less CLBs) for that what you have in mind concerning a new MSX. If MSX really wants to go new ways, than, to my mind, it must be totally independend from the actual FPGA platform used and it must be runtime reconfigurable. Than, again, the question about what makes up a real MSX would arise, because such a system could be almost anything, including MSX. Such a computer system or its OS respectively woud deal with whole system configurations comparable with the machines of an emulator. This should include hardware and software. And it would be much work to be done ...

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Well, a dream that can be reality, a rentable bussiness and a little better live for all pleople (the MSX's contribution for a better live of all world). Every MSX selled machine with 1% or higher prize destinated to the third world, this can be one of the rules of the new MSX, part for MSX 3 standard.

What would you do with that 1% destinated to the third word?

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Yes, it would be interesting to invent a new OS for a new MSX,

Yep!, objective achieved! . SymbOS is a fact now.

Congratulations!

when is onechip msx avaible in europe? its now spring 2007

iirc it was Q1.. but alas.. we're in Q2 now already. I do think they'll make 2007 tho ^_^

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iirc it was Q1.. but alas.. we're in Q2 now already. I do think they'll make 2007 tho ^_^

In Q5?