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Who's talking about being satisfied now?! Ofcourse not, but a little trust and patience is a good thing!!
Trust and patience... They seem to be rare traits, I think it's sad... 
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Oh i sincerely agree with you, no kidding, but i just wanted to point out how it's hard to believe in it for the moment because of the various reasons i explained above
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The real definition of commercial is that you GO for profit without hesitationto make it and may use it for everything they like andare therfore a company. A foundation such as MRC and Sunrise are e.g. allowed to act like a company and if they make profit they had to put that money obligated into the msx-system.
That are the fundemental differences between a commercial company and foundations, clubs. Revival is not the japanese version only
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No no no, you misunderstood me on that houston
To make it clear i am only talking about the game companies which released commercial products back then for the reasons i gave above on my 2 previous threads.
I realy *love* and *respect* Sunrise and all other club, communities, websites and stuffs ! I would not be able to find anything to complain about those, realy...
For me WE are the revival, the revival is Bombaman, Sunrise, Tuna-Wolf, FlyBy, Guyver800, MRC, #msxdev etc... i can't name everyone, k ?
That means peoples, clubs, companies, irc channels... More or less everything which's amateurish no matter how important it is and if one can earn money from it.
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You contribute even yourself. So denying if it exists would be foulish.
To make visible what MSX Association does is for people who doesnot communicate with them hardly to understand. On my turn I am busy to make that a little bit more visible. See e..g the ese msx2- board that you can admire on fairs since they allowed it !
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Yeah of course ! You misunderstood me here also... I DID SAY you, me and various other ppl ARE the revival, the real one, the one i place all my hope and devotion within...
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Sure they want to make money with it. Part of which is being invested in the one chip MSX project. But the fact they are making money with it doesn't mean the don't love MSX. Or do you think Sunrise don't love MSX either? The fact that they dropped MSX in the past (and, indeed, might drop MSX again in the future) was regrettable, yet had understandable (economical) reasons. Nishi deeply apologized for dropping MSX at the time, but also explained why in his Tilburg 2001 lecture. Are you equally angry at others who dropped MSX in the past and returned to the MSX community later? Even I didn't do much with MSX between 1996 and 1999....
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No ! No and No ! Snout ya'll get spanked
Same reply as for sunrise just above ! I am not angry at all at any company that droped out the msx in the 80's, it was just a logical evolution period.
All my septicism and critisism goes and only goes for what i mentioned above in my 2 previous threads
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The only discussion we keep having is that some people dislike the no-warez-policy on MRC. By sticking to these policies other websites have been kept out of the line of fire of Japanese companies. I don't know if it's going to stay that way forever, though.
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Again : No !
As i stated it clearly before, i am NOT against MRC policies you have the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to define them the way you want and WE HAVE ONLY TO RESPECT THEM perdiod
Some of us may not agree with them on some points but hey, we just have to respect them even if some of us would do it differently. Dammit ! This is not our site but yours
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When one settles legal matters it's quite normal to agree to keep things confidential. Which is what we did. Really, you won't get any more from me than just the fact there has been communication on these matters with Japanese parties. In fact we keep all communication between the MRC and third parties (except for the funny hatemail) confidential by default. I personally think that's just a matter of common decency.
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The way it was told just sounded a bit elitist to me, you'd better not saying anything than stating some kind of " Hey, i know and you don't ".
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I think you're really overreacting here. I've not seen an 'incredible amount' of people quitting. And most of the people who have 'quit' in the past have returned by now. You might have noticed a lot has changed on the MRC recently. Some people have already noticed the changes, others haven't. It will take some time before the effect of those changes are clear to everyone around. In my previous post I have already suggested people who don't feel comfortable on the MRC (or who have some ideas to improve things in general) to contact us or even join our team. Keep in mind though that no admin, webmaster, moderator or translator of the MRC is 100% flawless. We make our mistakes, we don't have the psychic powers to notice you don't feel comfortable at the MRC unless you let us know.
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No ideas if i am overeacting, still i don't think so, which is why i spoted the fact that i was wondering if it was in normal proportions for such a forum.
Sometimes we got the feeling the MRC team were discussing about things, bringing the same arguments the same way.
I'd like the team to be more representative of the many different opinions you can find amongst the various regular MSXers.
We don't have all the same faith, hope and implication in the MSX scene but since everything about the future of the MSX is still assumptions every arguments and doubts are legit.
I don't say the way you think is wrong, i just say you tend to think the same way and there are times *regular* msxers can't share your POV.
This is hard to explain but well, this is surely NOT a complain, just something you can notice by reading MRC Team members threads.
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Companies are not the big evil of the world! Neither is making money a bad thing. Companies that try to make money on the system at this point do that because their feelings toward the system are warm enough to 'just do it and see where it leads'. That should be encouraged, not complained about..
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Absolutely true, this is simply how it works.
But what i complained about was how they tried and still try to make more money on old titles endlessly. I would have expected those companies to have enough love for those vintage systems to leave these 20 years old titles out of any new commercial exploitation attempts !
How many times we brung this "love" concept before ?
Some ppl keep saying there are ppl working in the game industry that LOVE the MSX so much they will attempt to revive it ! But damn, if they do it for love why they don't start to think how they could get in touch with other influent people so they can try to find a way to *FREE* the most critical MSX softs, patents etc... so we would be movement free enough to build something realy interesting.
The involved peoples will get tired of it as monthes will pass by due to the lack of freedom and the "Jap only" way they'll do things... If only there was some real and STRONG attempt to join forces. We're here waiting for them without any real possibilities to get involved in it, that SO DISAPOINTING
The fact is still so clear, as any msx revival will prevent companies from making money from the nostalgy wave, MSX freaks will have to find complex and time consuming workarounds which will result in unsatisfiying attemps.
In simple words : that msx revival didn't started the right way and should *NOT* be a succes but a waste of time.
But as Guyver800 said, who knows ? Sometimes faith is realy more important than statistics, actualy to start believing i need something different than what has been done until now and how it has been done
Geplaatst: 09 Augustus 2004, 20:34