the Dutch Telegraaf has an IT page. You could try contacting that too.

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p.s. BiFi: I'm not sure what you're trying to say there.

In short, MSX2 and MSX2+ are younger than 20 years and they still have full MSX1 compatibility. I was aiming for some renewal thing when a new version of something has been released that still holds full compatibility to the earlier version(s).

Oh shoot, wrong thread...

Don't pests, viruses, parasites and things like that run wild when you let it grow free?

What's your thing with pests, viruses and parasites? If it's a metaphor it's a bad one... I don't like your insolent tone, number 2!

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What's your thing with pests, viruses and parasites? If it's a metaphor it's a bad one... I don't like your insolent tone, number 2!

Huh? I didn't expect anyone to be offended by that remark. I apologize if anyone did. :/

Lets get back on the topic of getting MSX in the media, shall we? MSX on CNN and YAHOO would indeed be amazing, but I don't think we're there just yet. However, I do think that a combined effort of the entire MSX community could result in a LOT more attention for MSX in the media.

The media is usually about new stuff.., and interesting stuff for ppz.

What does MSX have to offer to a new generation, or to an older generation that might get back to their roots? I haven't thought of that myself.. I'm just using the opl4 again to squeeze every drop of tricks out of it, that's my revival..

If you can describe what an MSX-revival has to offer, and if what's on offer is actually good, then you've some fundamental news..

The funny thing is that a lot of 'unfundamental' news about C64, Spectrum and painted keyboards seems to have no problem at all at getting Media attention. Do we overestimate MSX or do we need to try harder?

Well, a C64 was commercially more succesful than the MSX .. not strange that machine gets more attention, is it? Dunno about the ZX .. (I'm not really into vintage computers and such), but is it a wrong guess that even a ZX is -from a historical point of view- more known than the MSX ? And I'm talking 'worldwide' now .. not just NL, JP, Spain and Latin America.


[edit] besides: big chance that current media is controlled by ex-80's computer users .. statistically they're prolly C64/ZX/Amiga users ... the good-ol' computer-rivalism might still live

btw snout, in your reply you focussed on other systems.. now let me ask you the Q again: what does MSX have to offer for new/ex users ?

(that can include 'modern' stuff like gfx9k,opl4,cf etc. .. but there's not very much software for it.. so if you're coming with the amount of software then you prolly have to 'sell' msx2/128k stuff..)

[edit] Ofcourse I don't try to be negative here, just polishing the marketing-strategy here .. but you can count on the same questions from the opposite parties .. so, just see me as the bad-ass opponent and try to convince me

I'm not saying that all community activities of the MSX scene are interesting enough to report about in the media. (However, the MSX Community should be mentioned in the occasional retro article of course). However things like Uzix, the MSX webserver, ZICA, InterNestor, Obsonet, the first peek at the One Chip MSX, Bazix, mentioning and investigating MSX in articles on the Metal Gear series instead of persitantly thinking it all started on NES are things that -really- are interesting enough to be mentioned in -some- non-MSX oriënted media. I'm not saying it should all be IGN-ed, Slashdotted and yahoo-ed, but I really think that with a little more efforts things like these could get a lot more attention, thus drawing more people (back) to the MSX Community.

So, what can we do about it? I think it's quite simple. If you're active on fairly large fora, let them know about what's happening in the MSX world from time to time. If you see interesting MSX news? Submit it to the news-sites you often visit. It might take some time, but if the larger media are getting more and more signals from people who think MSX news is worth writing about, they eventually will write about it...And euhrm.. if you see any 'it all started on NES' articles on Metal Gear, write the editor and tell him the facts 'n figures!

The big thing is... I think -a lot- of people should work at this, not just one or two people. The MSX Community should stand up and say 'this is who we are, this is what we do, and this is what we think you should write about!" (REVOLUTION!!! )

The bad-ass-opponent is still not convinced

Imagine yourself at a conference centre for old computers anno 2004, the room is crowded with neutral ppl, AND competitors (C64, ZX, Amiga, Atari etc.).. and you are the one who's giving a lecture on stage.. what are you going to say? How are you going to promote MSX .. why should ppl use MSX ..? (or worse: why should ppl use MSX rather than another oldy system)

Just give the opponent a concrete answer.. you have to know your own product before you can start marketing it..

It's not about why people shoud -use- MSX, it's about why people should -know- about some things that are going on in the MSX community. And there are more than enough reasons why I think the media should report more on MSX.

Take ASCII, MSX Association demonstrating the One Chip MSX1 on PLD World 2004. There are plenty of reasons why general computer-news website could (and should) report about it

- FPGA is a fresh, new technology which is likely to play a key role in the computers of the future. The first fully functional computers arriving on 1 chip are instersting signs of what is to come.

- Altera and ASCII are -huge- companies, MSX Association is headed by Kazuhiko Nishi who played a key role in the history of computing. (It takes something to become in charge of the New Technologies department of Microsoft for 6 years you know). Three companies of this size and reputation joining forces is something that is more than worth mentioning.

- MSX is a legendary computer system of which millions where sold, produced by companies that then were and now still are the largest suppliers of consumer electronics. As if that isn't enough, Microsoft was involved in the MSX project as well and the system allowed Konami to make their definitive move into the consumer/console market. As it seems the MSX computers will go back on sale thanks to the combined efforts of three Japanese companies, while many of the softwaretitles released on this system are already back on sale in Japan, while a European project for re-releasing this software is on the way.

Confronted with those three reasons for reporting on the One Chip MSX1, I don't see why most media chose -not- to report about it at all.

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Interesting question ... I suggest Yahoo! and CNN

Oh, and Discoverychannel can spend a houre.

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It's not about why people shoud -use- MSX, it's about why people should -know- about some things that are going on in the MSX community. And there are more than enough reasons why I think the media should report more on MSX. Take ASCII, MSX Association demonstrating the One Chip MSX1 on PLD World 2004. There are plenty of reasons why general computer-news website could (and should) report about it - FPGA is a fresh, new technology which is likely to play a key role in the computers of the future. The first fully functional computers arriving on 1 chip are instersting signs of what is to come. - Altera and ASCII are -huge- companies, MSX Association is headed by Kazuhiko Nishi who played a key role in the history of computing. (It takes something to become in charge of the New Technologies department of Microsoft for 6 years you know). Three companies of this size and reputation joining forces is something that is more than worth mentioning. - MSX is a legendary computer system of which millions where sold, produced by companies that then were and now still are the largest suppliers of consumer electronics. As if that isn't enough, Microsoft was involved in the MSX project as well and the system allowed Konami to make their definitive move into the consumer/console market. As it seems the MSX computers will go back on sale thanks to the combined efforts of three Japanese companies, while many of the softwaretitles released on this system are already back on sale in Japan, while a European project for re-releasing this software is on the way. Confronted with those three reasons for reporting on the One Chip MSX1, I don't see why most media chose -not- to report about it at all.

Hearing/reading this all makes one wonder why the MSX system ever failed... Even me.

well.. there was some organisation called M$.. And ehr.. you might do the rest of the math