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Bruce Lee YIEAR KUNGFU ?!?!??

MäSäXi
msx addict
Berichten: 414
Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 13:14   
Check this ebay link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5143863082&rd=1



WHAT game is this??? On the cover is bruce lee of course but game name is somethin´ else... or is this some pirated konami game or what???


Rikusu

msx professional
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 14:05   
Why don't you try buying it and share with us what game it is?
cax

msx professional
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 14:54   
last time I saw discussion on MRC about cassete with bload"cas:",r mark on it people decided it was a fake.
This time I think this is really a fake because it even asks you to type "cas" with 2 's':
bload"cass:",r


very funny

P.S. in Konami's kungfu game the name of the boy is Lee, indeed.
DarQ
msx professional
Berichten: 836
Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 16:03   
@cax:
lee young is his name right??
btw: reading cas with double s doenst mean its a fake right away. even today we can see tracklists on original CD's with misspelled songnames (amateurs!!)....


cax

msx professional
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 16:08   
DarQ:
let's define what's fake and what's not.
If I start producing such a cassettes at home - will it be fake ?
If I will order such a cassettes in some small studio/factory - will it be fake ?
If I was doing it back then, in year 198x - will it still count as fake ? Old, maybe rare, but fake ?

Especially knowing that Konami published MSX games on cartridges and floppies.

Or, for being a fake, it needs "Konami" on the box, and without that it should be called somehow else ?

enribar
msx lover
Berichten: 103
Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 17:02   
This is the real story...
I have many cassettes of Armati collection: first is River Raid, then Booga Boo, The Dam Busters, Konami's Soccer, Super Cobra, The Way Of The Tiger, etc...
Armati was an Italian company who bought rights to publish some games as cheaper version of the originals (as you say...'budget', right?).
So that cassette is a normal Ye Ar Kung Fu, and cover is only a beautiful picture, nothing related to the game.
Package include: the cassette (as you see) and sometimes a little one page manual (in b/w colors).
If I have some time I could scan all the covers I have.
N.b.: some Armati software is also 'rare'. It was made by users (and I hope it's not too late to transfer it in dsk, to save it...)
ro
msx guru
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 17:33   
and those were ORIGINAL cassetes enribar?
MäSäXi
msx addict
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 18:04   
whoops.. I completely forgot possibility that it could be cheap release.. like enribar said, so thank you enribar!

and that fact that some game can have loading or whatever instructions misspelled don´t make game fake. I have MANY original cassette games which have misspelled loading instructions, some even have completely wrong command... like this: cassette label says LOAD"CAS:",R and program is originally CSAVEd on the cassette...

And then what about games which have misspelled title etc. on titlescreen?? they are not fake too.
flyguille
msx master
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 18:08   
the same here, in argentina, were a company that sold a lot of konami games.... on the cassette has a label (like) 3M labels). Over it you can read the game name, plus " bload"cas:",r ". I not remember about the box. I bought a lot of game there. A lot of konami too.




cax

msx professional
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 18:39   
The question is:
are those Konami publishers really had license to sell games on cassettes ?

Did Konami produce master cassette for them or they just copied the game from the cartridge, attached some loader to it and started to sell ?

Hard to believe Konami agreed to sell it's games on cassettes.
(I am already not talking about possibility to load the game onto multiple MSXes at the same time and ability to CSAVE to another cassette - you can't copy from cartridge as simple as from cassette).

If I make many copies of Metal Gear Solid for PC CD with nice labels and start to sell them for pennies - will you call this "cheap release" ?
Sonic_aka_T

msx guru
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 18:41   
I doubt they were licenced indeed... They're prolly just illegally distributed copies... That still doesn't make 'em fake tho
cax

msx professional
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 18:50   
Quote:

and that fact that some game can have loading or whatever instructions misspelled don´t make game fake.



How many original Konami cartridges have a misspelled usage instructions printed on them ?

Rikusu

msx professional
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 19:02   
ROM cartridge format was particularly popular in Japan. In Europe, most MSX games were released on tape or disk. Many Namcot games (Pacman for example) was released as ROM cartridge in Japan, but on tape in The Netherlands. I do think these games were licensed. I can hardly imagine some company would take the risk to release unlicensed Konami games on tape.
LeandroCorreia
msx addict
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Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 19:41   
Except in Brazil, where ALL MSX SOFTWARE was pirated. The reason is simple. By that time, we had a "market reserve law" that protect Brazilian market by forcing companies to buy Brazilian hardware and software, unless no equivalent software existed in the country (MSX were sold as toys for teenagers, in order to enter Brazil). Worst than that, any foreign software was considered without owner. So all MSX games and applications (expect the "made in Brazil" ones) were legalized illegal copies.
Sonic_aka_T

msx guru
Berichten: 2257
Geplaatst: 02 December 2004, 21:07   
Quote:

ROM cartridge format was particularly popular in Japan. In Europe, most MSX games were released on tape or disk. Many Namcot games (Pacman for example) was released as ROM cartridge in Japan, but on tape in The Netherlands. I do think these games were licensed. I can hardly imagine some company would take the risk to release unlicensed Konami games on tape.

If it were licensed it would've had a Konami logo on it. Why else would you hide the fact that this game was made by the N#1 software house of the time? (well, N#1 is arguable ofcourse)
 
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