To produce cardridge-pcb's are not so expencive exept for the production costs and a cassing.

i wonder what Konami did with their MSX projects..........

I think its still in their basement some where back then it was to expancive to trow it in a trash can!

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Well did you see the contracts then ....... hehehehe.

That's exactly why I don't vomit arbitrary statements.

Sunrise have a case made you know, further you need a flashrom of 8 megabit( if I take Bombaman as example) some galchips and small material.
Cut the PCb size of e.g. an Ide interface into two. So can be between 25 and 35 euro ( but it depends also of the terms agreed between softwaremaker and producer) and under the condition that the software is legally programmed so that there are no obstacles as regards copyrights etc.

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they can only protect 3 games govelius 1/2 and aleste 2! BECAUSE THE HAVE PREMISSION TO TRANSLATE IT !

By the way, everyone can make his own translation of these games and distribute the translation under a legal form : an IPS patch. Bazix can't stop that , except if your distribution is not free.

In this last case, from a legal point of view, there must be a 'copyright agreement' between the translator and the original authors of the game and Bazix could be the interface between both parts to realise this agreement.

sunrise: 35 euro for a cartridge sounds cool! I'm sure MSX sceners would buy games on cartridge for that price. On the other hand, non-sceners will probably think it's too much for an 'old' game. Depending on which market Bazix is targeting, selling cartridges might or might not turn out a smart thing to do.

If € 35,- is the costprice, you need to add certain factors to the get the salesprice...

Well first of all if I understood what woomb is all about. Bazix has maybe for the time being certainly no plans about that.
If it wise , well you can first make an inquiry of what titles you want to have ofcourse, than take contact with the companies who are/were behind it.
The non-sceners are helped as well because if it attracts people to make also new software that can be putted into a cartridge. What means that you have at least 3800 people that bought an usb gamereader.And if you succeed with one title I am almost certain various companies of the past will at least consider to do it again or give a try !

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If € 35,- is the costprice, you need to add certain factors to the get the salesprice...

You should re-read my first message behind ( ).
It is salesprice I can assure you

It that is the sales price, it is fair! If it includes the cartridge itself plus box and booklet, it is a great deal! We were paying that money twenty years ago, and back then it was money. Due to inflation, today is quite affordable, in my opinion.

And a 8 Mbit cartridge sounds great for any MSXer! MSXdev'04 will be soon published as a 128 KB megaROM including the 16 8 KB games altogether. Maybe it would be a good idea to start producing new cartridges, afterall.
8 Mbit is 2 Mbytes, you can eventually fit any MSX game into 2 Mbytes and have all the fun, without loading delays, incompatibility problems, etc.

Still no non-die-hard MSX fan will ever pay that price for an obsolete visually unimpressive game from 1985. Talking about real hardware for a real MSX is a nice thing to dream about, but it is simply not feasible for the current market, and in my humble opinion, it will never be.

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i'm against a future of emulated MSX game releases!!!!!!!!!

Good for you. Now go outside and play niceely with the other kids, eh?

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And i support the msx underground !!!!!!

/me looks under desk and in the basement...
No MSX to be found there...
(What do you mean: "underground"?)

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A real revival is with real msxés and not an emulated one I use msx since 1985 and i have a turbo-R all the hardware that there is at the moment exept for a v9990 digitiser so i know where i'm talking about! an european wants Real MSX stuf for its money!!! not fake emulated crap.

Being european, I really felt the need to say something here:

* I'm really happy with the current level of emulators, actually. They allow me to enjoy MSX demo's and games I just don't have the real MSX hardware for: turboR, Philips Music Module with 256kB sample RAM, to name a few. I am using emulators and won't stop doing so, even if a new hardware MSX is made available.

* Yes, I like to spend money on real MSX stuff and I already did so over the last couple of years: Bombaman and CLS come to mind, and I'm planning to buy BombJack, too. Heck, I may even spend some money on an MRC donation after having read SvN's contribution to this thread! That's real MSX stuff, too you know!

* Last but not least: MSX is a standard. Anything complies to that standard is real MSX stuff. So, an emulator, emulating a Z80, TMS9918, at least 16KB of VRAM, at least 32 K RAM etc etc IS, by strict definition, an MSX.
(Erhm, you'll need to equip your PC with a means to plug in a tape recorder, coz that's part of the standard too, but you get the point, I presume...)

As for Bazix & woomb: I'm less optimistic about the MSX revival as they probably are, but I don't think that slaying Bazix at forehand will do the cause any good.

I have spoken. Signing off...

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It that is the sales price, it is fair! If it includes the cartridge itself plus box and booklet, it is a great deal! We were paying that money twenty years ago, and back then it was money. Due to inflation, today is quite affordable, in my opinion. And a 8 Mbit cartridge sounds great for any MSXer! MSXdev'04 will be soon published as a 128 KB megaROM including the 16 8 KB games altogether. Maybe it would be a good idea to start producing new cartridges, afterall. 8 Mbit is 2 Mbytes, you can eventually fit any MSX game into 2 Mbytes and have all the fun, without loading delays, incompatibility problems, etc.

If I see a real MSX DEV cartridge, be sure that I will buy it.

About the MSX REVIVAL, the real msx "revival" (for me, MSX is still alive, not dead. Only commercially is dead) are compos like MSXDEV, with 16 new games for MSX 1 in 2004 and all the new real software initiatives. Also, new productions like music and demos, for me, are the real msx "revival". The Obsonet, the RS-232, Internestor Lite... are real "msx revival"

Actually, needs MSX to have a "revival"?. Commercially talking... yes, but focused in MSX computers, because on emulation, MSX is alive, thanks to the MSX sceners who also have made very good emulators, such as Blue MSX or Open MSX.

Yours,

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Last but not least: MSX is a standard. Anything complies to that standard is real MSX stuff. So, an emulator, emulating a Z80, TMS9918, at least 16KB of VRAM, at least 32 K RAM etc etc IS, by strict definition, an MSX. (Erhm, you'll need to equip your PC with a means to plug in a tape recorder, coz that's part of the standard too, but you get the point, I presume...)

And where do you plug your MSX cartridges? I know that there is the official game reader, but as it name explains, it is just a game reader, and does not support all the MSX standard definitions. Therefore, any system "expansion" cannot be used, only emulated.

By the way, does anyone know it allows to use S-RAM on cartridges or not? I am afraid that it doesn't.

Apart from that, I more or less agree with the last post. The only thing is that this kind of revival is not the revival that the MSX community was expecting. That's why most users seem to be somewhat disappointed.

[quote* I'm really happy with the current level of emulators, actually. They allow me to enjoy MSX demo's and games I just don't have the real MSX hardware for: turboR, Philips Music Module with 256kB sample RAM, to name a few. I am using emulators and won't stop doing so, even if a new hardware MSX is made available.
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So you use ROMs in your emulator from hardware you do not possess?
Tsk,tsk.

Lets hope those files are not on a public website! And if they are, dont tell us where! That site will have to shutdown otherwise after receiving an email from you-know-who. And then the only way to use that emulator part for us is getting it from friends, under-the-table, with other words 'underground'.

I always felt emulator makers distributing the thing without the system roms, because that is illegal, a bit strange: ofcourse users of your emulator will search the whole web for the systemroms or use the 'underground' to get them.
And then go hunting for the programs/games. Or do you believe they will make dumps themselves of the ROMS they possess legally?
Is this not what this whole discussion is about?


And 'you' is not just AuroraMSX, its 'us' .

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Is this a secret code from some game?

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and the most MSXérs Have a REAL MSX. (and prever to play MSX games on a MSX) i'm against a future of emulated MSX game releases!!!!!!!!! And i support the msx underground !!!!!! and if bazix would ever sell REAL MSX Software maybe i would buy it

Well.. Iirc @ bussum the main concept about re-releasing games in an emulated platform was basicly to reach people that don't have the real thingy...
And afaik, some people don't know how to handle an emulator... so imho the whole re-releasing concept is a good idea because you would only have to download an .exe file, start it up.. et voila... game on...