Use a pig and Peter R. De Vries to fight game copying:

http://www.webwereld.nl/nav/nb?20707

(dutch article, sorry).

No mentioning of Bazix in that press release

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you would only have to download an .exe file, start it up.. et voila... game on...

you know, not everyone executes win32 exe's..
it's just a stupid idea to release "msx" games that way...

pityful and filled with commerce..

No not everyone, just 80% of the civilized world whether you BLEEH or not.

And I don't think it's a fucking stupid idea, I think it's a good idea and I think it works in Japan, so why wouldn't it work here? Oh wait, I forgot, most Europeans refuse to pay for ones and zeros.

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No not everyone, just 80% of the civilized world whether you BLEEH or not. And I don't think it's a fucking stupid idea, I think it's a good idea and I think it works in Japan, so why wouldn't it work here? Oh wait, I forgot, most Europeans refuse to pay for ones and zeros.

It is indeed a good idea: huge market , once it becomes a thing to do, like ringtones for phones. Lots of money spent on that. Indeed, PC's are not the likely success factor, smart devices like pda and phones are.

Quoting from msxposse.com:

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Do not post spam. Spam includes advertisments, content deemed inappropriate or illegal, and flooding of the boards; Spammers will receive a swift kick in the ass, as well as a lengthy ban.

MSX-MBox == illegal, thus spam. Yet the spammer didn't receive a swift kick in the ass, let alone a lengthy ban. And now msxposse is offering the MSX-MBox for download (of course not hosted on msxposse.com, but on a site coincidentally owned by the same person...).

Ah well, I might as well talk to a lamppost or something, I'll get as much as useful out of that as from the msx-posers.

by the way, did you know it is the finnish ministry of education which is offering illegal software for download on a very well known ftp server?

There's a software archive on the internet that contains a ton of valuable MSX software; while technically there might be a legal issue, it's been around for quite a while now, as there is no way where it could financially hurt any serious commercial company (since it's mostly really old software), and aside from that the primary objective of the archive is being a resource to fans of the old MSX computer system, not a means of illegal spreading of software. As such, closure of such an archive would be disastrous; it would seriously hurt the still active community using this computer system.
However, there's never been an indication that this would actually happen, so the mentioning of its closure might just be blowing things out of proportion.

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by the way, did you know it is the finnish ministry of education which is offering illegal software for download on a very well known ftp server?

Yes, we all know. And its not only MSX but dozen other ancient systems too.
And also Gbytes of legal and very usefull information.
So it poses a dilemma. The MRC is clear about that and wants it to stay unnamed. Thats respected on msx.org or obeyed by moderation and we live with that.

I would propose to give it a rest. What do you suggest?

I wouldn't mind paying for example 10 euros for just downloading a ROM or DSK image of a translated game. I often pay $10 for downloading a music album. But I want to buy a file that I can use the way I want to, not a file that is only playable on 1 computer, or only in a specific player. For music, stores like Audio Lunch Box, Bleep and Magnatune provide music in formats I can use everywhere (MP3 and OGG). Currently, Bazix is only planning to offer downloads where the game is embedded in MSXPLAYer.

A hint to Bazix: if you give your customers what they want, you'll sell more. You can still bundle MSXPLAYer to make life easier for casual users, but give your customers the option to play the games in other emulators or on real MSX as well.

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As such, closure of such an archive would be disastrous; it would seriously hurt the still active community using this computer system.

If the active community solely relies on illegal software, it's inexistent. Also, what's the big deal of drawing new people into the cumunity by means of freely available roms? Romhunters won't ever start creating things themselves, will they? So what's the point of keeping them out? Being active is about creating new things, isn't it?

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Being active is about creating new things, isn't it?

That's exactly the point : Bazix must prove that he will offer new things to the MSX community, under the forms that this community wants : real MSX disks/roms and disk/rom images.

Only at this moment, the MSX community will accept the Bazix attitude about copyrights, not before ....

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If the active community solely relies on illegal software, it's inexistent.

I never said they solely rely on illegal software.

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Romhunters won't ever start creating things themselves, will they?

romhunters, romhunters... What about the guy that who was once MSX user and thanks to emulation gets drawn into it again? And there are also people who truly get interested in MSX; kinda hard if there's no MSX to emulate because there is no Bios, right?
Also, is someone who likes MSX obliged to create something?

I'm pretty sure many MSX users use the archive as a resource; For example, you have a MG2 cartridge; you want to play it though, in english; or maybe, keep the rom in good condition and use a disk backup to use on your CF-IDE instead...

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Being active is about creating new things, isn't it?

Thats a bit limited look at an active community! Only developers are active? Developers need people using their products also: playing, talking about it, meeting each other online or irl, iow having fun with their hobby.
I know many MSX users, maybe not sceners (i hate that word btw as it is often misused by the socalled selfappointed scene kings of the hill), but active persons enjoying MSX. Many dont visit MRC or IRC because their hobby is not chatting online behind a PC . Visit for example the Marienberg club: a very active group of nice people and only a few online.

The one and only thing which should be important now would be to know if bazix will take ppl's feedbacks and opinions in consideration or not.

Basicaly, will it be a " revival " matching (feasable) community's wishes or will it be a " revival " done in a way just 3 guys are thinking it's the right one ?

Since i have the right to give my opinion, here it is :
It's totaly ridiculous and even ludicrous to enforce a translation patch removal the strict and rude way it has been done.
I think it's would be wise to remember there are thing you can tolerate for the benefit of the community as long as they don't realy arm you.
If you decided to make things happening in a straight and strict way then think about how you could compensate the loss otherwise you'll just plain hurt a lot of people as you may have seen it.
Since you turned commercial it's now your duty to " think " and " create " something in an accurate way which will fullfill our needs, be creative, be wise and remember what MSX freaks need ortherwise you'll only bring shame and destruction on something we've built together, something you were a part of !

About rom packs and stuffs there is nothing to say, i just hope it isn't the start of a global rom hunting campain from former community fellows because it would have something to do with decency.

Plz dudes, bring us the revival we need not the one you want !

Bazix members : ppl created this thread to have some clear feedback from you on this matter, i think it would be kind to not ignore it.

My best kisses, as usual.

It's not just development. Organizing fairs, maintaining a website (with decent content, only downloading and installing a phpBB forum is piss-easy IMHO) is also what I'd call 'active'.

However, I do think most of us use MSX as a (good) excuse to socialize, to hark back to the past. Nothing wrong with that, but it's different and not really adding to the community as these moments will decrease in frequency and nothing new will happen. It stays the very same. No progression.

How much more work would it really be to have the new releases of old MSX soft working on both PC and MSX? Isn`t the point of the revival to revive the MSX HARDWARE too? Not just the software? I do not want to buy MSX soft for my PC, I want to buy it for my MSX.

-Dan