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manager: "my wife would kill me if I did that"
former employee "- I didn't know you had a wife! "
manager: "and my wife doesn't know I have a job, I keep my business and personal life strictly seperate"
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Nice in theory, but in this case there would have been a reply:

former employee "How can you? Your business is your wife!"

In real life keeping this separate things are not so simple. We are all just one person with one mind. When one roles we perform have no relation to each other, then it's reasonable to believe that the two don't have too much influence over each other. But when they are closely related, it's a whole different ballgame.

The whole idea of speaking shared MRC/Bazix people seems to me like a cover up of the truth. They may be able to keep their official announcements separate, but they are still affected by both roles in everything they say and do. And in that respect I would never see people as a combination of everything they are.

As long as the roles as MRC and Bazix don't bite, it doesn't necessarily have to be a problem. But I think this thread shows the first signs of conflicting interests. The Aleste translation patch for instance, where community and Bazix interests are basically opposite. I'm not exactly in on the details, but I expect that Rikusu released it before Bazix existed and attempted to retract it after a commercial interest for Bazix. If this is indeed the case, then it shows how views can change.

Currently my view on things is that a part of MRC is a part if Bazix. And the near future will tell how decisions of one will rub off on the other through this shared part. I expect that the conflicts will get worse. Time will tell.

Rikusu wrote:

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.... I do wish to make one thing clear: nobody ever talked about suing anyone. Please stop confusing ‘having distribution and/or trademarks rights for something and therefore placing a request for removal if someone distributes something that can really damage your cause’ with ‘suing that person’. The fact that we don’t speak of suing, has nothing to do with us having money or not, it’s simply not the way in which we work.

Thats too easy! Nice reassuring words but I feel a cover up here.
'Nobody ever talked about ..'?
The sender of the letter, Bazix does threat with legal measures! From the letter:

Wij willen u erop wijzen dat deze overtredingen wettelijk strafbaar zijn en
verzoeken u dan ook ...

Which might be translated as:

We want to inform you that these thresspassings are punishable by law and therefore request you ...

If lawyers say that in this way it is a serious threat that action will follow! The resulting action is not a lawsuit but report of the thresspassings to the police asking for action by the authorities. A lawsuit started by Bazix could follow to get the damage repaid. If I understand you that lawsuit will not happen? But dont play innocent by saying 'Nobody ever talked'.

Btw, was this post by the person Rikusu, Bazix or the MRC Webmaster? Please help us to understand the complex ways of communication between Bazix, you as a person, the MRC and us. By using in one message both 'I' and 'we', it becomes very confusing. A simple: This is a Bazix message might help.

I really appreciate Rieks's extensive reply, but I completely agree with Grauw here: it's all great, but if Bazix can't make it happen that the games will be playable on a real MSX, we have only lost: no new translations anymore for the real MSX users... That would be a big shame, if you ask me.

I really understand that you have to start somewhere, but it is so uncertain that it can be made a reality to get new games or new translations for real MSX machines....

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to get new games or new translations for real MSX machines....

Or to broaden this... for any non win32 user.

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Quote: to get new games or new translations for real MSX machines.... Or to broaden this... for any non win32 user.

And to broaden this even more ... also for every win 32 user that prefers one of the 3 best emulators for PC/Windows than a limited emulator without features like screenshots, save states, saving of the music and many other interesting features

Btw, when will come NLMSX 0.49 ?

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Btw, when will come NLMSX 0.49 ?

Who do you ask? And why here?

Frits is very unlikely reading our boring discussion here If I know him a little he is very busy with a very interesting project which gives him lots of fun doing and will surprise us undoubtly. With other words: I do not know what and when and who and why and where

Simply because I'm sure that NLMSX 0.49 will be better than NLMSX 0.48 and then there will be a greater difference between NLMSX and the MSX-PLAYER in the MRC Emulators Comparison.

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If people can't keep corporate-Snout and hobby-Snout apart, or hold corporate actions against people personally, it might be a problem. Not really something the MRC nor Bazix can do something about. Seperate things they are, business and private.

I was asked to relay this link as a reply to the quote.

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Quote: If people can't keep corporate-Snout and hobby-Snout apart, or hold corporate actions against people personally, it might be a problem. Not really something the MRC nor Bazix can do something about. Seperate things they are, business and private. I was asked to relay this link as a reply to the quote.

In which case it's Snout's problem, I agree. I cannot judge whether or not that is the case. If Snout himself can't keep corporate-Snout and hobby-Snout apart, I am not surprised other people can't either.

It's not really that hard either, like when we had a business conflict with a fellow MSX'er, I felt we could still relate to each other as people with similar hobbies, discuss things, laugh and joke without bringing the biz conflict up. And we're still on friendly terms today, even though the biz conflict was totally screwed up and that was partly my fault too. That's the way it should be I think.

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I also read in the same thread btw that TNI has requested the removal of their software from the MRC downloads database, and that MRC refuses that. What's up with that? I mean it *is* totally off-topic but I really don't see any reason *not* to respect their wishes, it's their software :?

The Guyver - MRC conflict is indeed a bit off topic There are better topics for that.

Iirc the topic is: Is Bazix frustating certain emulation projects?

And the trigger to this topic was the email sent by Bazix to the developer of MSX-MBOX that lead to the disappearance of the product and a halt to development.

Much has been said, in favour and against this action. Bazix certainly has learned a lot of the reactions. Lets hope they can translate that into a business approach that does not stir up such powerfull reactions. And lets also hope that they publish their strategy in a clear way at their website. Every company needs a clear strategy, internal but also in their message to the customers!

Lets also hope that MRC, the webmasters and the visitors, will not suffer from all this.

I propose to close the topic!

Why close it, surely the topic can die out on its own? Closing sounds like censorship. It is a moderator action which shouldn’t normally be used, or only on really old topics to avoid them popping up again.

Edwin: nice points.

In any case, I think I said before, regarding the initial thing which stirred this thread: I can’t care less about what happens to things like MSX-MBOX. They are in direct conflict with Bazix’s W00mb project so I don’t find these actions surprising nor strange at all, and that aside there is nothing of real value added by it, no achievement of any kind made (someone else put this better than me earlier in this thread ). MSX-MBOX is a 100% illegal piece of software, and it going away will do no harm whatsoever to the MSX scene.


~Grauw

i think a program thats made for pc is earlyer cracked and copy'd than a real msx game

so i think maybe 1 day after the released translated games for pc it will apear for free on the net Thats today's pc users mentality.

and if its possible to crack the translations so they can run on msx again! i would be intrested

a think that a translation of aleste 2 on (3 msx disks) would be saver..... just put a nice copy protection on it and the msx users would be happy .
people would pay for it! i would...... and by the way the games are then also compatible with the NEW ONE CHIP MSX!!!!!!

that would be better for ALL MSX adicted people!!!!
and it would be better for bazix them selves then you have a stable marked

o ja rienks if you realy want a stable european MSX market KILL YOUR SARGON SITE to prove that you are serious! you still sell illigal translations on your sargon site!!!!

and snout....... you have to choose a side!!! you even help people to play illigal games on cf by giving them tips how and wich program they should use.

You guys need to be serious!

and it would be better if you post your frustrations on BAZIX.....

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The Guyver - MRC conflict is indeed a bit off topic There are better topics for that.

Come on, see the reality : three deciding members of MRC (on 5) are the 3 members of Bazix, so if someone is in conflict with MRC, he's also in conflict with Bazix

Conflict between Guyver and MRC is mainly about good application of MRC policies : why MRC doesn't respect TNI will about TNI products ? On freeware and shareware products, the author keeps the copyrights and can choose the channels of the distribution .... so he can decide at every moment that his products must disappear from the MRC database .... and that's the case, so what ????

Object of this thread is Bazix attitude and strategy, it implies also appplication of policies, especially about copyrights. Do you see now the contradiction ? Why BiFi was forced to remove a IPS patch when MRC doesn't remove the TNI products from his database ?

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o ja rienks if you realy want a stable european MSX market KILL YOUR SARGON SITE to prove that you are serious! you still sell illigal translations on your sargon site!!!!

Bert, this is simply not true, like many of your statements are not true either. All the others: check for yourselves, http://www.samanet.tk

Nothing against MRC or Bazix and reading all those discussions with half-eye open (frankly, nothing much interesting to me) but thought last week when I received from MRC an e-mail about the MSX Emulator Comparison (btw, very cool) written as a press release in the same style as what I received so far from Bazix re: Press Releases... 'This is funny, they now do send press releases like they are acting as a company'...
All I wanted to say here, I am surprised to see MRC now takes itself more and more seriously about what they are doing ... but having said that, no MRC = nothing much left for MSX as a community outside Japan. So, MRC = Keep it on but relax. As for Bazix, this is a company so leave them alone to grow their business and eventually let's hope they make MSX become what you all dream of.
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MSX Emulator Comparison - Test results

Amsterdam (the Netherlands) – January 31, 2005 – Today the MSX Resource Center (www.msx.org) published the results of an MSX emulator comparison. Twelve MSX emulators have been put to the test. The relatively new emulator BlueMSX 2.1 ranks first, followed closely by the open source initiative openMSX 0.5.0. The performance of several MSX emulators proved emulating a 20 year old computer system is a lot harder than it seems. Many classic videogames that played a key role in the history of gaming were released on the MSX platform in the past. MSX emulation makes it possible to enjoy these games like like Final Fantasy 1, Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and Vampire Killer (Castlevania) on any modern PC. This Emulator Comparison is the second edition of the first emulator comparison ever.

The MSX Emulator comparison can be found over here: http://www.msx.org/articlepage8.html

About the test

The test aims at giving both advanced and novice users a helping hand in choosing a suitable emulator. The emulators are judged not only by their technical features and accuracy, but also by sound quality and ease of use. The test also features the first emulator that is officially recognized by the developers of the original platform: MSXPLAYer. MSXPLAYer is put on the market by the Japanese company MSX Association (www.msxa.org) as part of a project that aims to commercially revive the MSX computer platform.

About MSX Resource Center

The Dutch foundation MSX Resource Center hosts a website (www.msx.org) completely dedicated to the 8bit home computer system MSX. Millions of MSX computers were sold during the 1980s and early 1990s, mainly in Europe and Japan. The website not only brings the latest news on the activities of the still highly active MSX community, but also offers an active discussion platform and a freeware downloads section in order to support the activities of the MSX community and to bring the MSX computer system under the attention of an ever growing audience.

For more information on the Emulator Comparison, the MSX Revival or the MSX Resource Center in general, feel free to contact us at press@msx.org, or visit our website at http://www.msx.org/