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Quote: We did, however, encourage its developer to go on with his project on a legal basis. The fact that he decided to drop the project, has been his own decision. Well, the e-mail above gives a "somewhat" other idea...

I want to add to this that the MSX scene exists of hobbyists. The active people want more people to join in. If rules show up which no one ever cared for, what's the fun of it then?

I'd quit producing stuff if someone told me I was doing something which is illegal. Cuz dudes, we're not 1986 anymore, you know.
If I want an MSX logo on any product I'd be part of without the legal notice pointing at the association, I'd do so. If that's not the way it goes, the association will have to do without me then, cuz I got better things to do.

So please, people from bazix, don't misuse your 'authority'. Stay like you guys were before you got into this bazix thing. I am quite certain that not all of the developers will be discouraged by those actions, but some will. And is playing policeofficer worth it to see them go?

Remember that all the hobbyists do now is to contribute to the scene. It's not the profit.


(I didn't even wanna react to this, but well, you see what happened)

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Since I am located in the US I do not really care about copyright issues of bazix or the MSX aso's.

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yeah, bazix will really stop msx.org

That may sound funny, but you have to wonder about that. But having the same people in both bazix and mrc is bound to become a problem at some point. Internet history shows that commercial and community interests just aren't compatible. Trying to be both will eventually lead to a conflict of interest. Whatever happens then is anybody's guess.

What a discussion again... I just think Bazix is just not taking people in the "scene" serious as potential buyers of their products. But as it seems they see people in this same "scene" as an obstacle to sell their future products to people who are gadget freak and/or who had a MSX in the past and are not active anymore and which love to recall nice memories to the MSX system by playing games on their cellphones or whatsoever.

Sending such e-mails is just a way of Bazix to take away the obstacles on their roadmap to publish and sell MSX-RELATED products. Related because the products won't even work on a real MSX. So if you are a MSX user who wants to obtain certain software legally don't count on Bazix too hard.

Also i do believe such e-mails won't have a positive effect on the revival at all, because the considered potential buyers mostly have internet too and can read all the negative discussions for themselves. In my opinion there are more negative than positive discussions going on. This is not how people get any confidence in a future product!

Also the potential conflict of interest concerning Bazix and MRC should be taken away as soon as possible. That's better for all parties. There are many ways to achive this e.g. Bazix members shouldn't be administrators of MRC anymore and their tasks could be handed over to neutral people. A more radical way is to stop with MRC completely, but i think that should be very stupid. It would seem more like a scaryness of criticism then, which also would be very negative publicity for future Bazix plans.

It's interesting to notice that loads of people seem to consider themselves experts on Bazix, MRC and what's good for the community.
It may sound a bit harsh, but the problem is that those very same people (barring a few maybe) do not contribute that much to MSX besides some extremely superfluous chit-chat-rubbish. What makes them think they know what they're talking about anyway? Hence they should refrain from acting like know-alls. Ask yourself who's arrogant here.

This continuous moaning may well end the community as we know it as it wouldn't surprise me if these endless rants are quite demotivating for those who DO put a lot of effort in [for instance] MRC.

Don't cry immediately FFS. Be patient and have at least a bit of faith. But hey, most people enjoy internet fights more than MSX so probably it won't end. Be proud.

And what about MSX developers? I feel neglected by BAZIX behaviour. I am supposed to be "worse" just because Karoshi is not inside the "official" MSX revival? I guess that a better colaboration and understanding would be useful!

Specially because we are developing MSX1 games and the MSX-in-one-chip will eventually be a boosted MSX1 computer, although upgradeable. Or BAZIX just wants to resell MSXPlayer and old software, to make easy money?

I really don't know what to think about all this.

As already said somewhere in this thread, the official MSX Revival is not first conceived for the 'old' MSX fans (like the people that visit each day MRC), but for the new generation that wants to play games on mobile phones for example.
It's the opportunity to interest this new generation to MSX, it's also a way to find the financial support to create the future MSX3.

Will this plan work ? Well, I don't think that the answer is here in Europe, but in Japan : from one side, the MSX-PLAYer is a relative success in Japan and the MSX-One-Chip is on his way; from the other side, the feedback that we have received from Japan with the release of blueMSX 2.0 (first version with Turbo-R support and free from all fMSX code) is really great, including an extended review on Gigamix ! Actually, I've seen reactions that prove that Japanese fans were waiting for this great moment, they are really blueMSX 'lovers' !

If the MSX3 is a success in Japan, than we can be optimist ... I don't think that Bazix activities in Europe will really decide this success or no, all depends of the MSX Japanese community.

Being an MRC webmaster, I thank you for your kind words, Thom. It's always nice to see people appreciate one's work. Constructive criticism is right as well, too bad some people just think the only way to express themselves is by endless moaning and insulting.
The same is happening to Bazix and its boardmembers as well. My advice, try to be polite if you can, and if you can't, think of a way you still can. Think thrice over before (foremost how) you comment or criticise someone else's work, you just might demotivate that person.
It's a real good thing to have an opinion of your own, but don't be blind to follow the mass for cases you don't have any experience with. I don't imagine Bazix has sent e-mails to everyone of you, and if they have, they've prolly done so for a damn good reason.

I wonder, is it just because of their authority that some folks oppose against Bazix? People, give that company a chance to officially bring back MSX to the European/the non-Japan market!

Respect!

By the way, I have been testing today the newest version of BlueMSX and it rocks! Intuitive, easy to use and accurate! Of course, I miss the WAV support and the debugger.

If you are interested in the WAV support, I can provide some ideas or even actual code. About the debugger, I have a pile of suggestions to make, but something like the NO$MSX debugger will make BlueMSX THE TOOL for MSX development.

Oh! The GunStick/Light Phaser document is on its way! I will be ready very soon. Thank you very much for your efforts, mars2000 & BlueMSX team.

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It's interesting to notice that loads of people seem to consider themselves experts on Bazix, MRC and what's good for the community. It may sound a bit harsh, but the problem is that those very same people (barring a few maybe) do not contribute that much to MSX besides some extremely superfluous chit-chat-rubbish. What makes them think they know what they're talking about anyway? Hence they should refrain from acting like know-alls. Ask yourself who's arrogant here. This continuous moaning may well end the community as we know it as it wouldn't surprise me if these endless rants are quite demotivating for those who DO put a lot of effort in [for instance] MRC. Don't cry immediately FFS. Be patient and have at least a bit of faith. But hey, most people enjoy internet fights more than MSX so probably it won't end. Be proud.

Well, i consider myself free to give my opinion on certain cases. Which also includes this case. It's not an issue of arrogance neither a conquest of who knows all best. There are just certain actions which ask for reactions. That's not surprising at all.

Complaining should be o.k. when given good arguments for it. To get ontopic: I don't think sending such e-mails is good for the community. That's my opinion and in my post before i stated some arguments for it.

And yes i will and can be very patient and i'm even willing to have some faith. But such actions won't give me faith for sure! Also faith is something which has to be earned in some cases. Show us what you got and then we consider if it is worth to give faith, not just send e-mails about copyrights. That's my point.

@D-tail
If Bazix/Woombs wants to get support from the comunity, it will need to listen to the comunity and it's concerns. And right now, some people will first think of a "brein"-like organisation, instead of a company suporting MSX.

Hello, pitpan ! Thanks for your help !

WAV support and extended debugger are on the 'to do' list (but it's not for version 2.2), you can of course send us ideas, suggestions and even code, we will certainly make a good use of it !

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It's interesting to notice that loads of people seem to consider themselves experts on Bazix, MRC and what's good for the community. It may sound a bit harsh, but the problem is that those very same people (barring a few maybe) do not contribute that much to MSX besides some extremely superfluous chit-chat-rubbish. What makes them think they know what they're talking about anyway? Hence they should refrain from acting like know-alls. Ask yourself who's arrogant here. This continuous moaning may well end the community as we know it as it wouldn't surprise me if these endless rants are quite demotivating for those who DO put a lot of effort in [for instance] MRC. Don't cry immediately FFS. Be patient and have at least a bit of faith. But hey, most people enjoy internet fights more than MSX so probably it won't end. Be proud.

I see this whole soap a little different:

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You made stuff for MSX a few years ago, used some logos and didn't point at the trademarks. The Bazix guys love it, cuz it's a contribution to the scene.
Now they are in some busines with people from the other side of the world.
You make a sequel of the thing they reviewed very positively. You still got your logos on the labels and on some screens.
Now the same people warn you for legal actions.

Don't you feel pissed in the face then?

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By the way, I have been testing today the newest version of BlueMSX and it rocks! Intuitive, easy to use and accurate! Of course, I miss the WAV support and the debugger.

Thanks for the compliments The wav support and the debugger is on our todo list. For the next release we're focusing a bit more on the user interface which will get a big boost. But we've also done several bug fixes, added a keyboard editor, and hopefully we'll get printer and uart support as well.

The debugger is something I've been thinking about and it is getting closer...

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If you are interested in the WAV support, I can provide some ideas or even actual code.

I sure am. WAV support has been on my todo list for a year but it has been pushed into the future by other features.

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About the debugger, I have a pile of suggestions to make, but something like the NO$MSX debugger will make BlueMSX THE TOOL for MSX development.

As always, we're definately open for ideas. I hope to get some of the debug framework in place after the next release. The plan is to do a NO$MSX style debugger and hopefully it can be reused for openMSX as well. Doing a full GUI debugger may take a little while though so the first debugger will probably be a command line version.

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Oh! The GunStick/Light Phaser document is on its way! I will be ready very soon. Thank you very much for your efforts, mars2000 & BlueMSX team.

Sounds great I looked a little bit on the AdamEm and it doesn't look that hard to implement so I'm looking forward to see the docs.

damn, im still waiting for snout's reply...