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Music chip poll at MSX.org

snout

msx legend
Berichten: 4991
Geplaatst: 16 Augustus 2002, 02:20   
I think the quality of a sound chip can not only be measured by the specs. Especially not on a system like MSX. I am as well surprised by the results, but I didn't expect the OPL4 to win hands down either.

Latok
msx master
Berichten: 1732
Geplaatst: 16 Augustus 2002, 10:40   
I expected SCC to win. This soundchip (together with PSG) 'breaths' the MSX feeling more than any other soundchip.And I also believe there are quite some msx.org visitors who don't have experience with the OPL4, so logically, they choose something else...

Jorito
msx freak
Berichten: 212
Geplaatst: 16 Augustus 2002, 16:27   
hmmm... moonsound is a nice soundchip, but just that: nice. it's not pure MSX, it's overrated, and not a lot of people have it... should explain the score For me, I like the SCC a lot better, since it represents MSX sound more than anything else (yeah, even FM-Pac!)...My list would be like this 1) SCC, 2) MSX-Audio, 3) MoonSound, 4) FM-Pac, 5) PSG

Bart
msx professional
Berichten: 646
Geplaatst: 16 Augustus 2002, 18:46   
If I was to say what respresent the MSX sound best, I would say PSG. All the other stuff is add on! It isn't the original stuff! Moonsound isn't even made in the eighties !

snout

msx legend
Berichten: 4991
Geplaatst: 16 Augustus 2002, 18:50   
Well, saying one is the best doesn't mean the others are bad, does it. I like all the soundchips for MSX, but all of them have their ups and downs..To me the downs of all these chips are...PSG - only 3 channels, I only know one tracker for it. SCC - Not really meant as a soundcard to be used apart from the Konami games. The trackers aren't easy to use, but the SCC has a very distinctive sound which makes it very interesting.FM-PAC - The hardware limitation of only being able to us

snout

msx legend
Berichten: 4991
Geplaatst: 16 Augustus 2002, 18:51   
bart: OMG you are right, we should've all voted PSG!!!

mars2000you
msx master
Berichten: 1723
Geplaatst: 16 Augustus 2002, 19:07   
For my part, I think that one option is missing in this poll: MSX-STEREO by the combination of MSX-AUDIO and MSX-MUSIC (and the lucky ones in the MSX world can replace one of these chips by the Moonsound card !).This is really the best music option for MSX. PSG and SCC(+) sounds are too restrictive, although the SCC sounds can be very surprising !

snout

msx legend
Berichten: 4991
Geplaatst: 16 Augustus 2002, 19:22   
Yeah, well.. then we could also have added the PSG+FM-PAC option, the very powerful PSG + SCC + FMPAC option (Musica) or the extremely powerful yet little used 2x MSX-AUDIO, 1x MSX-MUSIC, 4xSCC and 1xPSG option of SME3.Maybe that's something for the next poll ? Lets have a look on how the chips do on their own first. (btw poll suggestions are always welcome)

Jorito
msx freak
Berichten: 212
Geplaatst: 19 Augustus 2002, 14:33   
hmmm... MSX-stereo shouldn't really be in the poll... I've composed for a lot of games, and have never considered MSX-stereo to be a big improvement. In stead I focused on MSX-audio, did a bit of MSX-music, and neglected MSX-stereo Besides, I don't know a lot of products that actually make good use of MSX-stereo, in most cases they just use the combo of playing Audio and Music together...

snout

msx legend
Berichten: 4991
Geplaatst: 19 Augustus 2002, 19:35   
I think different about that, Jorito
GuyveR800
msx guru
Berichten: 3048
Geplaatst: 25 Augustus 2002, 03:25   
IMO OPL4 0wnz all those chips!1. OPL4 has the same capabilities as MSX-MUSIC and more, it can be made to sound 100% like MSX-MUSIC.2. OPL4 is 100% compatible with OPL1 (MSX-AUDIO) and can play higher quality samples than MSX-AUDIO.3. OPL4 is also very capable of emulating SCC, although you will have to put some noise in it, because OPL4 has so much better D/A converters.And about PSG, yeah well... You could emulate it on OPL4 too, but then again even an SCC can emulate PSG :

snout

msx legend
Berichten: 4991
Geplaatst: 25 Augustus 2002, 12:33   
I think the problem with OPL4 is..1) There's no MML in basic2) All the things that can be done with it were never done on MSX. Well.. Almost all things
GuyveR800
msx guru
Berichten: 3048
Geplaatst: 26 Augustus 2002, 01:14   
Mark, OPL4 can do brightness control just as MSX-AUDIO or MSX-MUSIC can. It's just that Moonblaster does not take advantage of the full features OPL4 has to offer. Ofcourse you are right that it can't be done with samples, but who needs samples if you have a FM synth as advanced as the OPL4 isIn my opinion samples are WAY overrated. With some good FM voices you can often create the same effects with much more versatility. FM voices can be created, but samples have to be found, ripped or sampled from

snout

msx legend
Berichten: 4991
Geplaatst: 26 Augustus 2002, 01:30   
Maybe someone should add full-moonsound support to Meridian? (hehe.. full moon.. hehehe.. shut up beavis!!!).Back 2 serious mode: The sources are there, the moonsounds are there, the demand is there... IIRC Sunrise would send a Moonsound to Michiel, but maybe someone can help him developing Meridian 4 moonsound?

snout

msx legend
Berichten: 4991
Geplaatst: 26 Augustus 2002, 20:23   
Strange.. you say the MSX Music rocks, yet you dislike the FM of the OPL4.
 
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