Source :

http://msxfiles.sites.uol.com.br/maine.htm


An article published on Gigamix Online website reveals that the chances of the One-Chip-MSX not being produced are high, and tries to explain why the possible project failure :

http://gigamix.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2005/06/1msx_18e0.html

See also :

http://www.zakugiri.com/MT/archives/2005/06/1msx_2.html

Good Altavista Babelfish or Excite online translation !

Hm, I don't know if there's any reason to be negative about the status of the One Chip MSX pre-orders. With the casing, final specs and final sale prize being uncertain factors, and (for those reasons) no pre-order options at Bazix yet, a third of the minimum amount needed to produce the One Chip MSX computers has already been sold in a third of the time ASCII as set to sell 5,000 MSX Computers. Okay, it would have been great if they had hit the big 5k already, but I would not worry too much about it already. The MSX Game Readers and MSXPC's also made quite an impressive sprint at the final days of the pre-ordering stage...

@snout: I think you're forgetting mars aims to be negative... It's pretty much what he does...

It's not only him - there's that BIG article on Gigamix Online (really big!) that says a lot about the one chip... dont discredit mars just for pointing the news - I just did the same on my site.

I do hope that there is a "final sprint", but for now to reach the desired 5000 - as Gigamix mentions - there must be 50 orders per day! (And that's not happening, so that generated the huge article)

well, no one ever said it would be -easy- In the first 7 days, more than 1,000 One Chip MSX computers were sold (142 a day!). Most likely ordered by the enthusiasts, the fans. I don't blame others who want to see the casing first, who want to know the final prize first or who would like to know more about the final specs of the device. Furthermore I don't think the One Chip MSX pre-ordering got attention in large Japanese MSX magazines or large Japanese websites yet, which were exactly the two things that gave the sales of the MSX Game Readers the boost it needed.

If the 5,000 limit is not reached within 66 days, ASCII still have the option to extend the pre-ordering time, or perhaps Nishi can keep his promise of using some of his pocket-change to pay for the remaining amount of One Chip MSX computers...

Again the proof that MRC doesn't like alternative opinions about the official MSX revival.
Doubts about the great success of this operation are not accepted, even if they come from Japan, where the MSX fans know better than us what's really happening (and Gigamix infos are not ridiculous).

For my part, I don't like the 'pensée unique' that seems to inspire the real deciders on MRC. People that don't have the same faith in the revival than Bazix have the right to access to a complete information. You citate Gigamix when their articles go in the Bazix direction, but you forget the articles that go in another direction. So, it was my right to give the missing links on this forum. Everyone can now have his own opinion based on all sides of the reality.

mars2000you: you're blowing things up way out of proportion, making connections that simply aren't there. The fact that I am optimistic about the MSX revival, doesn't say anything about the opinion of the MRC on the MSX Revival, although the MRC -in general- prefers positivity over negativity. In the case of other projects like Obsonet, MNBIOS, Meridian, Vscreen, GEM, MSX revival projects other than the one chip MSX and many other projects the MRC has always been positive (or at least: not negative) about these new developments concerning the MSX computer system because we don't feel that negativity encourages the people behind those projects to actually make it happen, neither does it encourage MSX users to start new projects, or even to keep using MSX. The positivity of the MRC doesn't limit itself to the MSX Revival, and doesn't exclude alternatives to the MSX revival either. (Even more general: alternatives to the MSX revival can almost always perfectly coexist with the MSX revival and vice versa, a thing many people seem to forget time and time again).

The reason I didn't post on the 'is the One Chip MSX going to make it'-article on Gigamix is that I don't consider it to be news. It's an opinion, and opinions belong on the forums, not on the frontpage . After all, we all knew it wasn't going to be easy to revive the production of the MSX computer system 10 years after it had come to an end, didn't we? If ASCII -really- doesn't make it, I do consider it to be news and of course we will be posting about it.

Now I have to agree with Snout, saying that "MSX.org doesnt like alternative opnions about the MSX revival" is a bit of a stretch.

I for once allways said what I think about it, the good and the bad, and never was censored in any way. As far as I see these foruns are free for anyone to say anything - as long you dont post warez links, seems to be ok

But of course, the "news" will reflect some kind of opnion - even if it is "let's just post the positive side" - all news sites/journals etc have this "problem" - it's just the way it works (even for comercial newspapers)

I for once allways admired how msx.org handles both MSXA/ASCII/Bazix interests and the community's point of view, allways posting about everything that happens (even when would be far easier just to ignore everything that didnt agreed with the revival) - for that the MRC crew has my respect.

That being said, I still hope that the OCM will be produced - but I'm hoping that ASCII publishes a little more info about it - showing videos of it working, putting at least an english page up, specifing exactly what will come in the package, etc (in my opnion things that should have been done before starting the pre-ordering, but that's just me)

That's one of the differences between MSX-PC and MSX-GR pre-ordering, in those cases whe had all specs and pictures for the final product, while with the OCM we just have some pictures of proto boards... maybe if the final product is shown, the pre-ordering would rise...

well, it's not really mars being negative, I'd expected this as soon as I read about the required number.

As much as I like MSX, the chances of it happening at the conditions stated on the onechip preordering page, are, well, small. Face it, it's rather expensive (relatively), and the fact the current preorder page is for Japan only doesn't help; Chances things would work out would've been far greater with a worldwide ordering opportunity. If they're keeping it for the Japanese only now, chances are they'll end up with nothing. Actually that's pretty certain.

Allthough as far as functionality goes it's not quite in the same league (unless hacks are applied), I like to compare this with the C64DTV. You know, retro joystick that does C64 games.
I guess it does fairly well -- US version released, PAL version prolly still coming (or not? dunno), but remember the C64 was far more well known around here (and the US), there's a much larger audience for it, it's available for order worldwide, got a quite decent amount of media-attention AND is quite a bit cheaper.

I see a difference there. I'm all for a 1chip MSX but I'm not seeing it happening on these conditions.

Btw. I don't think it would be all that bad to report on the number of sales every now and then.

- hard to read through babelfish, but the price of the unit and especially on top of that the price of the cable needed to actually upgrade to MSX2 in the future seem to kill it.

Finally, even if it fails, the ordering has at least been 1337:
http://home.planet.nl/~morsi093/1chipmsx1337.PNG

LOL @ Samor, nice shot

I don't think it's strange to have doubts on the actual production of the OCM. ASCII have those doubt themselves too if you consider the fact they require at least 5000 pre-orders. But aside from that number, and only that number, I don't see any reason why the OCM would not hit the streets...

5000 seems quite normal for me to earn productioncosts back...

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well, it's not really mars being negative, I'd expected this as soon as I read about the required number. As much as I like MSX, the chances of it happening at the conditions stated on the onechip preordering page, are, well, small. Face it, it's rather expensive (relatively), and the fact the current preorder page is for Japan only doesn't help;

Indeed, this are all aspects that negatively affect the sales figures, but the MSX Game Reader was expensive as well, its casing was announced at a very late stage and the order-page was Japanese only as well. It also suffered from a slow start and suddenly a lot more than the required 3.000 were sold. Again, selling 5.000 One Chip MSX computer isn't easy, but it isn't impossible either.

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I like to compare this with the C64DTV. You know, retro joystick that does C64 games. I guess it does fairly well -- US version released, PAL version prolly still coming (or not? dunno), but remember the C64 was far more well known around here (and the US), there's a much larger audience for it, it's available for order worldwide, got a quite decent amount of media-attention AND is quite a bit cheaper.

Indeed, but with the C64DTV 'what you see is what you get'. The point is: the FPGA makes the One Chip MSX a lot more than that. You can even make a C64DTV out of it!

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Btw. I don't think it would be all that bad to report on the number of sales every now and then.

We'll try to report on the milestones

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Indeed, but with the C64DTV 'what you see is what you get'.

unless you're good with electronics:
http://www.64hdd.com/projects/hardware/c64-dtv64.html
(note: I'm not)

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Again the proof that MRC doesn't like alternative opinions about the official MSX revival. Doubts about the great success of this operation are not accepted, even if they come from Japan, where the MSX fans know better than us what's really happening (and Gigamix infos are not ridiculous).

Have you ever heard the quote "People who say it can't be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" ? It's ok to have doubts, and you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, so is the MRC crew.

But truly, what's the point of repeating all over again that it won't work ? How's that supposed to motivate the people who are working hard on trying to make it happen ? Given your recent posting concerning your doubts on continuing to maintain your site (which I like very much btw), you should now more than anyone what kind of impact this negative comments can have on the community and developpers...

People complaining a lot, should rather wonder how they can help instead of nagging constantly (and I'm not refering to you here Mars, I know you're bringing your share of valuable contribution to the community).

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But truly, what's the point of repeating all over again that it won't work ? How's that supposed to motivate the people who are working hard on trying to make it happen ? Given your recent posting concerning your doubts on continuing to maintain your site (which I like very much btw), you should now more than anyone what kind of impact this negative comments can have on the community and developpers...

Ehmmm .... you are confusing me with msxgamesbox, I think