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[ Again, the FPGA NES doesn't have a cart slot. It only supports playing games images off of SD flash cards, which isn't too much of a problem as almost every NES game has already been dumped. If ASCII doesn't support and advertise NES support, then they most likely won't meet their preorder requirements. Furthermore, Kevin will most likely just produce his FPGA NES on his own, as I am sure he would be satisfied with only 100 preorders. Meanwhile, ASCII is only satisfied with 5000!

If things are as you say, it seems to me that ASCII needs Kevin's work more than Kevin needs ASCII. After all, it's a lot easier to find 100 people interested in a new NES than 5000 msx buyers. As a matter of fact, I believe it would be even easier to find 5000 buyers to a One Chip NES than it is in the case of MSX. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to require much from MSXA to bring Kevin to OCM project, since he doesn't seem to need any help with his work, except perhaps some info about OCM and of course, one kit for development purpose. It seems to be a good deal to both, after all, Kevin would sell much more copies of his NES implementation. It seems that is up to MSXA now to decide what they want.

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It seems the bottomline is that ASCII doesn't need to do anything special, just add an extra target-audience and add some new VHDL code.. right?

Sure, but the One Chip MSX was already 'launched'... This would probably not be the ideal time to completely revamp your product and change the target audience. The One Chip MSX will probably go (or not go) as is, for the time being.

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If things are as you say, it seems to me that ASCII needs Kevin's work more than Kevin needs ASCII. After all, it's a lot easier to find 100 people interested in a new NES than 5000 msx buyers. As a matter of fact, I believe it would be even easier to find 5000 buyers to a One Chip NES than it is in the case of MSX. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to require much from MSXA to bring Kevin to OCM project, since he doesn't seem to need any help with his work, except perhaps some info about OCM and of course, one kit for development purpose. It seems to be a good deal to both, after all, Kevin would sell much more copies of his NES implementation. It seems that is up to MSXA now to decide what they want.

I hate to break it to you, but you won't find 5000 people waiting for a $300 (or $200 for that matter) FPGA'd NES that can't even handle carts. You could probably find a hundred enthusiasts tho...

Then simply take over the work from ASCII, and start infiltrating in the NES scene stating they can order a 1cm and turn it into a 1cn internally ..

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I hate to break it to you, but you won't find 5000 people waiting for a $300 (or $200 for that matter) FPGA'd NES that can't even handle carts. You could probably find a hundred enthusiasts tho...

Why would it need to handle carts when it can emulate the circuit board contained inside every single NES and Famicom cart ever made? Such a thing would be extremely popular as no other single piece of hardware, to date, is capable of such a thing. All other Nintendo consoles have seen flash carts, copiers, or some other "backup" device... except for the NES and Famicom. Why? Because such a device would have to be able to recreate hundreds of different circuits and coprocessors, as there are hundreds of variations in the circuit boards, memory mappers, RAMs, and coprocessors used in NES carts. Compare this to modern cart based systems such as the GBA or DS, where there are roughly no more than 4 variations in the circuits contained in the entire game library.

5000 people do not have to be found that want to buy a FPGA NES. Kevin has stated that he would need a minimum of 100 preorders. If the OCM could do MSX and NES circuit-level emulation, then what is currently roughly 2000-2500 preorders could be allot closer to the needed 5000 preorders, as there are two types of people who have yet to preorder:

1. NES fans who don't care for the MSX
2. MSX fans who are also NES fans that would pay $200 for a device that could do both MSX and NES circuit-level emulation

well K you got me.... indeed if it emulates nes,c64 it would sell more i have allot of original nes games.....

personally I think it's worth consideration..

It could be the weekend talking, but it seems to me no one here cares about piracy anymore? You are basically advertising a means to play pirated Famicom/NES games.

It would indeed boost preorders/sales, but I doubt it will go down well with Nintendo.

Also, since preorders started some time ago already, it's unlikely the 'concept' of the 1cm will change to include 'can play pirated Famicom/NES carts off a SD card'.

(btw should I include a massive '' here? Or have people matured enough not to feel the need to be insulted by everthing on the internet?)



better safe than sorry

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Why would it need to handle carts when it can emulate the circuit board contained inside every single NES and Famicom cart ever made? Such a thing would be extremely popular as no other single piece of hardware, to date, is capable of such a thing.

It would also be extremely illegal I'm sure there would be 5000 One Chip MSX orders if ASCII bundled every MSX game ever made with the One Chip MSX, but alas, things need to stay legal these days...

...which was the point of my previous post - thanks for the clear 'n blunt version Sonic

MSXA could offcourse could advertise it like can run different systems with additional codes.
Next just loby in the retro scenes about possible system.
I do see some options here however MSXA should play it smart when it comes to legal steps.
Officially they can not support the different systems because Nintendo won't go along with this one and other compannies won't.
But they could hint unofficial support is possible.
It's not the first time that I see some creative advertiseing like that.
But I think it's to late for that one and I don't think they will reach the 5000 with One chip MSX alone by themselves. But maybe I'm wrong.

DEAR ROBert (sorry, couldn't resist ), Unless ASCII/MSXA are in the same league as the (mostly China-based) manufacturors of 'unlicensed 3rd party accessiores, what you suggest is not going to happen.

Unless ASCII/MSXA don't give a damn about their reputation and just want to sell nifty hardware, that is

I said play if they play it smart.
Really it's not the first time that a companny goes creative. (You would be suprised if you know how creative some leading multinationals can be !)
It's not just Chinese compannies. Really I have seen Japanese, DUTCH, English and Taiwanese compannies comeing up with some very creative advertiseing.

However MSX and ASCII are to late.
Setting up the correct formulation and getting it to a broad public takes more time as there deadline.
Because normally compannies that care about there reputation really take there time when they know that they are moveing on thin ice. A month is to short for setting it up and reaching the audience.
And withouth the proper time to set things up supporting it would be to risky if you care about reputation. (If they don't care then they can still launch it)
I agree on that one.

It must be weekend where you live as well, so I'll go easy on you

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I said play if they play it smart. Really it's not the first time that a companny goes creative. (You would be suprised if you know how creative some leading multinationals can be !)

What you call 'creative advertising' seems (to me) not the way ASCII/MSXA would do business.

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It's not just Chinese compannies. Really I have seen Japanese, DUTCH, English and Taiwanese compannies comeing up with some very creative advertiseing.

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mostly China-based

Just read my post again, please.

...which would have been a nice short answer now I come to think of it

Let me give you one example.
A combination of two very big european compannies reversed engineered some Asian compannies product then made a small change to it which wasn't covered by the Asian compannies patent and launched the product.
The Asian companny offcourse tried to take legal action. However they lost the case. Why there patent didn't protected this option. The european compannies allready filed a patent for there there product so the other party would be to late to block that one. by fileing a new patent.
Now you might think bad reputation. Well let me say this these european compannies are one of the leading compannies on that product worldwide and are european market leaders.
So much for bad reputation !!
However they took there time befor they launched there product to know that they just would be safe.

The only reason you said Chinese is because most attempt of smaller chinese companies are not that smart made. So there products will be problematic when sold outside china.


While most big multinationals and other big coperations are smart enough and do there research well enough to just pass true without looseing there reputation. Like I said this takes time.
Time which ASCII and MSXA don't have any more with the current schedule.

And that's the final comment from my hand about it.