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Indeed the last one, I think. Also for updated/new VHDL. To continue a little OT, I wonder if Bazix/MSX Association have a plan for distributing new VHDL code? Woomb.net could be the ideal platform for distributing software and VHDL code. Futhermore I think new VHDL code should costs a few bucks.

Another intersting question is whether I (or any one else) would be able to modify part of the existing VHDL (e.g to add some extra fun features to a standard MSX2 config) and then release the result as Public Domain, Freeware, whatever...

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Sonic_aka_T: Hey, it's a wishlist so I think it would be cool to play Mpeg2 & MP3 files on the MSX, but your right, It will not fit in the Cyclone used in the 1CMSX. Maybe in the 1CMSX MKIII

How about an VHDL EVA-player, then?

Now your talking, EVA-player is fine by me.

Lets just hope for lots of new software - else all the nice extra features mean nothing. Are there any plans for MSX3+ (Yeah I know) games? Personally I think they should up the price say 10 euros and pay for couple of new game developments

Actually I don't dare guessing whether new SW will show up or not. According to me formula: "devtime=specs^2", it's not a guarantee that more features actually speed up development. We're now watching these new OCM thingies, while we haven't even remotely started on using the G9k..! The only thing that might be interesting is when a non-msx-scene buys the OCM en-mass, gets rid of the MSX VHDL, inserts their own (c64?), and then starts making games. Ofcourse, would that OCM be an MSX then? Would it appeal to us? Or would we simply be playing with another system then?

the issue w/gfx9k is that you need vintage hardware for it. Now, with the OCM, it would be possible to extend functionality of the basic system without having to fallback to vintage hardware. I think this is a big plus for the OCMmkII and could spur more hard- and software development. Heck, even I am thinking about restarting my old MSX habits .. after a loooong time

Mhoa, dunno about that. Several hundreds of G9k's have been sold, and iirc openMSX should be acurate enough for typical programming, it's just that ppl do little to nothing with those G9k's. So, the vintageness of the hardware is not really the issue, but that the hardware is just laying there, not being used.

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Actually I don't dare guessing whether new SW will show up or not. According to me formula: "devtime=specs^2", it's not a guarantee that more features actually speed up development. We're now watching these new OCM thingies, while we haven't even remotely started on using the G9k..! The only thing that might be interesting is when a non-msx-scene buys the OCM en-mass, gets rid of the MSX VHDL, inserts their own (c64?), and then starts making games. Ofcourse, would that OCM be an MSX then? Would it appeal to us? Or would we simply be playing with another system then?

That's an interesting question, but given the machine is an msx you could also argue that the new msx could emulate a c64. Probably a question that will still be argued on forums for years to come.
On the g9k I'm not suprised that it hasn't spawned much software, as its a niche product, as all add-ons are. The old industry mantra is that software sells hardware, and though that's slightly different for the OCM as its retro, if you want to sell outside that hardcore few hundred to say old but not currently active msx users you have to offer something new. And that would be software, not hardware additions.
Another thing is that software should not be free! Free software kills. Obviously the OCM would never be commercially viable for a software developer, but shareware, freeware should be avoided at all costs.

Oh and symbos should be the defacto OS!

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but given the machine is an msx

Why is it an MSX? Because there's a sticker on it that says 'MSX' ? Or because the VHDL gives us an MSX?

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Quote: but given the machine is an msx Why is it an MSX? Because there's a sticker on it that says 'MSX' ? Or because the VHDL gives us an MSX?

Yeah because it has MSX on the box, and the makers say that's what it is! In the same way a Dell PC is a Dell, and not a Hewlett Packard. Most PC's use generic parts, with the only unique part being the little badge stuck on the box.

Just pointing out that you can argue pretty much either extreme. Personally I think its reinventing the wheel, and this new msx box would ultimately best be used by not emulating something old, but that's not really the point is it

The point I was trying to make was: would VHDL'ing a complete c64 inside the the OCM, completely dropping anything MSX'ish, still make this device a OCM? And thus, would the MSX-society accept such a thing as being an 'MSX', or would it say: 'nah, now it's a c64 ._. '.

+ your analogy fails ;P Philips MSX, Sanyo MSX, Sony MSX, JVC MSX, Panasonic MSX etc... it's all MSX, just another one to put his name on it. Inside it's still an MSX, and prolly the same MSX even. (depending on the generation)

The OCM could also be a OCM+, by addition of the pre-MSX1 machines as it's the case in blueMSX. Also addition of Sega Master System should be a great thing ... Imagine the 2 best 8-bits systems in the same OCM !!!

And to answer to Wolf : an OCM with MSX replaced by C64 should no more an OCM but an OCC

It is entirly bullshit that there is no gfx9000 software, only there are no games for it and Xtazy was a good example to start.
We forget that people that were busy with something almost all left the scene. Also games foir msx 1 and 2+ and turb-r ( of which games made are also rather rare) take a while. To make it as developper easy you had first to collect your tools and than start porgramming. I have the greatest believe that if tools were developed earlier and first , developping would have been more easier and that is wat is neglected

Trebmint seems a bit confused:

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Another thing is that software should not be free! Free software kills. Obviously the OCM would never be commercially viable for a software developer, but shareware, freeware should be avoided at all costs.

How can you say that free software kills unless it's deployed in a working weapon system or a failing medical system?

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Oh and symbos should be the defacto OS!

Last time I checked symbos was still freeware, so it should be avoided at all cost and it should be the defacto OS! Does that mean we should avoid the OCM at all cost because the program that should be the defacto OS, is freeware?

My Dream MSX3 wishlist:

switchable crystal 3,579mhz / 50mhz
http://www.zilog.com/products/family.asp?fam=218
Maybe some kind of DSP as in consoles or atari Falcon
REAL CPU eZ80® - New 8-bit MPU, with enhanced 50MHz Z80 core and 16MB memory addressing - 50mhz
I can imagine 8bit 3d games on 50mhz ha hah ...
MSX2 compactible ON FGPA
GFX9000 /Do not forget Sega Megadrive has some kind of derivate of this VDP ,simply it is coolest gfx chip/
PSG+SCC under one roof...
MOONSOUND or opl4+DAC 16Bit?
16MB RAM as standard
4x usb / 2xgamepad+key+mouse/
MSX2 compactible OS+USB support
/USB-ide HARDISK TOO... usb is superb solution for everything/
SD Reader /BASIC? + MSXDOS BOOTABLE + GUI/
NICE CASE SMALL RULES MAYBE WHITE AS I-POD+Blue LEDS maybe console look
at first time but with key+mouse+tv/monitor/lcd...
Software and Game Development Kit MAYBE crossplatform /MSX-PC-MSX-.../
Some kind of licences for toy manufacturers /lot of factories not only one/ Maybe it is commercial but
they will produce hardware and others cartriges,software,expansions who knows...
Nice name+Logo+Mascot
Maybe something not only for community remember that : retro games still rules on mobile phones people love them.But of course with huge community support.
5-10EUR per game btw USB 3"5 FDD is good idea.
NO MP3/DVIX/AVI CODECS I do not want have on screen "Please need new codec" not on MSX!!! PC are for that...
But this is only my own "stupid" speculations...