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Excerpt from this 2004 thread : *snip* We are now almost 2 years after ....

yeah, well, you did follow this thread right? Then you should've read a clue why it didn't happen yet.

dvik: the solution with the dll doesn't help the openMSX project...

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Quote: Excerpt from this 2004 thread : *snip* We are now almost 2 years after .... yeah, well, you did follow this thread right? Then you should've read a clue why it didn't happen yet.

If MSX-A is reading this thread, they should clearly answer (YES or NO to the Game Reader support in blueMSX, openMSX and NLMSX). Secret strategy is the open door to speculations.

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dvik: the solution with the dll doesn't help the openMSX project...

I guess you could add gr support in the windows version of openMSX. But to get full support (including in linux) we need more details so we can make our own drivers.

I begin to think that main developers of blueMSX, openMSX and NLMSX should write directly a common letter to MSX-A to get a clear answer. As we have Japanese members in our teams, it should be easy to make that in Japanese language. I don't think we'll get an answer here on MRC.

To start with I'm perfectly happy if I could reverse engineer the msxgr.dll interface and use the official dll without any negative consequences.

Long term it would of course be nice to see the interface published by MSX-A to be used for anyone. But this isn't really needed as long as its 'ok' to use the current msxgr.dll that is shipped with the hardware. I'm sure we can get GameReader support in emulators and other tools without official documentation.

Besides I understand if its not in the interest of MSX-A/Sunrise to make the interface available to other application developers (I'm not sure I would ) So I think the only option may be to use the dll without their explicit acceptance. I hope I'm wrong though.

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Quote: Quote: Excerpt from this 2004 thread : *snip* We are now almost 2 years after .... yeah, well, you did follow this thread right? Then you should've read a clue why it didn't happen yet. If MSX-A is reading this thread, they should clearly answer (YES or NO to the Game Reader support in blueMSX, openMSX and NLMSX). Secret strategy is the open door to speculations.

From what I gather, in the current position Bazix/Sunrise simply CAN'T give official permission, allthough they want, but they'd have to get through MSX-A first.

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I begin to think that main developers of blueMSX, openMSX and NLMSX should write directly a common letter to MSX-A to get a clear answer. As we have Japanese members in our teams, it should be easy to make that in Japanese language. I don't think we'll get an answer here on MRC.

I don't think either, at least not right now, for the simple reason the people here can't make these decisions. I agree that a letter would be a better idea. If you want to make it into a petition of some sorts, I'd gladly sign one too. It seems like a good idea to me, that wouldn't hurt anyone.

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I think that would mean a "NO", if you like things clear like that... maybe you should ask them, I'm pretty sure "NO" is easier to arrange then to try and get permission for it from MSX-A....

You confirm my feeling : we should write directly to MSX-A, as MSX-A has the real power of decision.

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Quote: I think that would mean a "NO", if you like things clear like that... maybe you should ask them, I'm pretty sure "NO" is easier to arrange then to try and get permission for it from MSX-A.... You confirm my feeling : we should write directly to MSX-A, as MSX-A has the real power of decision.

yes, I edited my post to write that I also agree with that. Sorry, the posting goes really quick in this thread sometimes

Really amazing guys. But you even donot understand and have read that MSX-A has chosen Bazix to its representative for this things.
So directly writing to MSX-A is quite useless. Even it is polite in Japanese. They refer simply to Bazix I imagine.
Saturday is the Bussum Fair. I hope to see Snout as well as Rikusu , and hopefully we gonna make time for a mutual answer on this topic.
But as said to Samor, the real reason is the fact that someone broke his word. To change that we need cooperation and understanding.
A letter to MSX-A yes, so Mars /Daniel feel free to make one. But please let's make first a concept and via mail to me since I want to add a ll improvements also. Together it will make that letter that will be sent to Bazix with the requests. Why me, simple I have taken that responsibility by promising and said I would never let the effort to try !
If MRC and Bazix make no objection we publish the FINAL LETTER on MRC.

Allright for everyone ?

sunrise, Sounds great. I hope you'll get some time to talk with everyone at the Bazix fair.

We're not in a huge hurry to release anything but I felt that nothing has happened the last year and it was about time to bring up the topic again. Hope things are going well at bussum and I'm looking forward to hear from you after the fair.

That's oke if you help with the concept ! Since we are there for everyone !

yes, it seems like a good idea

dvik: cool, you said the "Bazix fair"

About the Windows-only version: that probably won't happen as we don't have (coding) Win32 developers in the team.
It would probably also clash with the GPL.

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dvik: cool, you said the "Bazix fair"

lol.

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It would probably also clash with the GPL.

Probably ok. You would use your own dll loader which can be GPL'ed. I don't think that the dll itself needs to be GPL'ed in order to be used in openMSX. You are (indirectly) using a bunch of M$ dll's too and they are most likely not GPL'ed.