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Me, everytime I am used as playball between community , Bazix as well as MRC and MSX-A.

I know that I am not using you as a playball, and I don't expect you to take responsibility for something the community has done.

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... and who will have to do again the next step. Me again right,if I am busy with writing a letter to Bazix than the next one will miss his package , the next one has had no answer on his email of a hour ago and so on

I thought the official support already was one of the actions on the list; me releasing this package hasn't change that, it just changed priority.

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I very much agree that the GameReader is a cool device (but think of the OCM of having a higher cool-factor though), but please look at it like this: if you like Bombaman, why don't you include it with the emulator? Right!

wait a sec... I see it more like this:

what if Bombaman didn't work in blueMSX.... dvik would fix his emu to support it, but you'd still need to buy Bombaman.

It's the same with the gamereader. Afterall, you still have to buy it as well.


Finally, as a user of the device, I can't really be other than happy with any initiative to have larger support for the gamereader, be it official or unofficial.

You see there a difference of conception from the beginning :

- Bombaman is a product of the MSX Community (and I've even contributed to it, as French translator); the Sunrise package comes with 2 disks and disk images included on the CD-ROM, so you can choose to play the game on a MSX machine or on the MSX emulator of your choice. Total freedom's choice for the MSX fans and good sales of this game !!!

- The Game Reader is not a product of the MSX Community, his source is closed and it's delivered with a special (limited) version of the MSX-PLAYer. In the case that you don't like this emulator (because it's another fMSX clone or because you simply don't like the general conception of the MSX-PLAYer), than logically you won't buy the Game Reader even if you find it interesting.

So when the way is (partially) open for other emulators, this will respect the freedom's choice of the MSX fans and contribute to increase the Game Reader sales, so everyone should be happy !!!

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Quote: Me, everytime I am used as playball between community , Bazix as well as MRC and MSX-A. I know that I am not using you as a playball, and I don't expect you to take responsibility for something the community has done. Quote: ... and who will have to do again the next step. Me again right,if I am busy with writing a letter to Bazix than the next one will miss his package , the next one has had no answer on his email of a hour ago and so on I thought the official support already was one of the actions on the list; me releasing this package hasn't change that, it just changed priority.

You not alone, but is simply a fact that everytime I take initiatives , it always too slow for everyone right.
It spoils my MSX hobby , and everytime it's me, if it is site , we donot go to the swiss webmaster no to Rob.If it is my IDE doesnot work go to Rob,. By Bazix the same go for everything to Snout, not to Bart or Rikusu.
SO, AGAIN I AM USED AS A PLAYBALL AND I AM REALLY SICK OF IT !

why doesn't anyone in the msx community step up and create an own msx reader? I must not be that hard? Great hardware like obosnet is still being created.... and this way it could become a limited succes....

Ok, so my comparison was a bit (understatement) crappy, but...

- The source of Bombaman is closed, and the software has not been released as freeware. These are limitations of the 'total freedom' you are talking about, and choices I (and from what I understand most MSX users) understand and accept. There are, however, people who don't agree with this approach.

- Like it or not, the Game Reader is a product of the MSX commnunity (Tsujikawa) as well. In Japan, it was produced and distributed by MSXA/ASCII, just like Bombaman (Team Bomba) and the Game Reader are produced and distributed outside Japan by Sunrise.

- If you don't like the general conception of the MSX2 standard, non-freeware or everything non-Uzix... you will have a problem with Bombaman as well. Although MSXPLAYer started as an fMSX-clone (just like blueMSX!) it has evolved quite a bit from there. Sure, there's still quite a bit of fMSX in there, but the emulator really is not half bad. You're using the fact that little people outside Japan have worked with MSXPLAYer to make the emulator seem a lot worse than it actually is.

Still, the comparison was not really useful so let's forget about this 'un, ok?

Sunrise: I can understand your feelings, but trust me: it's all worth it. I can't imagine the MSX community without the great hardware and software releases of Sunrise. Just try and focus on all the -positive- things that are happening as well. Humans have a strange way of sending negative feedback a lot more often than positive feedback. This unfortunately means that if you're really active in the MSX scene [and the communication platforms], you get a lot of 'dirt' as well. I think it's safe to say the vast majority of MSX users are right behind you. I am!

Having said that... let's turn those frowns upside down and see what comes out of the newly opened discussion on disclosing the Game Reader documentation. Surely, we could still receive 'no' for an answer, but at least it's back on the agenda again...

Vampire you totally wrong.
We sell this thing at reasonable price. I have said nothing that I object to another emuLator , but therefore you need the correct way ! If someone wants to recreate , you never get it done for that price with the same quality
Obsonet successor isnot available Dumas , the gamereader is ! The software isnot that bad, but need improvements sure!

But I am only trying to say, that whatever I do it is never appreciated , with exception of a few people

Vincent van Dam: cheers for releasing the code. Waiting a year without happening is long enough, I am surprised you had so much patience .

Snout: first of all, reverse-engineering driver is common practice and I don’t see how there is any (European) law against that, so I don’t see that there is a problem, nor that MSX-A should be upset about this.

In the Linux world it is a common enough that companies are slow in or not at all releasing the development information for their devices and thus alternative operating systems (or in this case, emulators) can not develop support for those devices, even if they are willing to take up the entire development effort! Unfortunately, MSX-A seems to have the same attitude in this as those other companies, and I’m a bit disappointed. Again, there is no legal basis on which reverse-engineering the device for interoperability would not be allowed, and if MSX-A has the best interest of the MSX community at hand, then they would simply release the information on the hardware’s interface (and on a higher level than the DLL).

If that doesn’t happen (and a year is a very long time!), then in my opinion this is a green light for the community to stop waiting and do what it takes to create the support they want. Note that even if this happens MSX-A can still decide to help the community and publish the information (if they ever intended to do so in the first place).

Sunrise: this is not your fault, and I think we all appreciate your efforts.


~Grauw

p.s. MSX.org is really forked, sometimes it works, other times I’m getting 403 access denied and all kinds of different errors (like right now) which sometimes disappear if I reload often enough, styling doesn’t get applied, etc. I’ve seen this quite often now for the past couple of weeks, so I think something’s wrong?

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But I am only trying to say, that whatever I do it is never appreciated , with exception of a few people

I think it's very appreciated, and the fact people WANT to support things like the gamereader in other programs is just proof of that.

Also, think about what Vincent van Dam said:

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I also believe that if this was a regular product (like eg. the nintendo wifi, or pick whatever current technology), somebody else would already have published something alike and there wouldn't be any fuss about it.

Isn't this true? the Nintendo DS homebrew community (and specifically one person) went through great lengths to discover how the WiFi on the Nintendo DS worked. The result is a large amount of homebrew applications that can use this connectivity. Surely, all of it is unofficial, but it's great, IMO. I'd see it as an appreciation for the Nintendo WiFi technology rather than an action against it.

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But I am only trying to say, that whatever I do it is never appreciated , with exception of a few people

It's not that worse, you'r think, not a few, but most people appreciate the work of Sunrise very much.
Don't take some critic to personal.

I can't imagine someone *not* appreciating the work of Sunrise very much! So, Rob, I think you're wrong. It's just that (as snout says), mostly if everything is OK, you don't hear anything, but if something is not what they expect, you get complaints.
So, please don't let yourself be demotivated because of this.

Grauw: I don't have any problems at all. Could it be on your side?

@Legacy: Well A Foundation become to fast personal if one person get all the things around him and the total available persons are 4 to5 people.
@Grauw : thanks for your view concerning the reverse enigineering.

In general I find even negativ critism not worse, but taken into consideration that I involved straight from the beginning people from Blue,Open and NLMSX (@Bifi asked me why ;well simply they were still active at that time) to ask for help to implement. That the permission was withdrawn was out of my hands. And also the efforts it took to get compromised with Bazix was something I never forget.

@sunrise: Everyone understands that things changed and that you weren't allowed to keep your original promise. This change was nothing you could have prevented and noone blames you for it. We are many that really appreciate your great contributions to the scene and many of us relies on your hardware for our daily MSXing.

And as stated earler, Vincents release of the tools and the many reactions is really a proof that your stuff is great and interests many users. So you should really feel proud of what you've accomplished !

And today we see the release of BlueMSX 2.6 with Game Reader support