Usually each summer, we're early this year.., otoh, look at the climate and we might still be on schedule in fact

I don't think its negative to have a lot of OCM news. But I think the reason why you see a bigger part of the news being OCM or Woomb here than in other forums is because of the connection with Bazix. I'm sure you see the connection between MRC and Bazix, right?

I think that, perhaps with exception of you, snout is the most active news poster in the MRC crew. Of course he finds other news too, but working with Woomb and Bazix, he naturally know everything big and small about the OCM and Woomb. So therefore I think OCM and Woomb news are a bit over representative. Its of course up to other users to submit news too, so its not snouts fault in any way.

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cool, the soap opera continues... just the topic name is different as usual. Is this an annual thing among msx users ?

Yep, every year we have to bash someone/something Feel free to join in ;-)

Well, it's practical that snout/bart/rikusu post OCM news at the moment it's there. Or did you expect them to update bazix.nl with news, take a break for an hour, go to MRC mode to hunt news, and then randomly visit bazix.nl to see whether there's news? And then "w000t, news! let's post it!"

That's more like Mr.Bean's Christmas, where he stuffs self-adressed xmas cards through his door ..

I don't think you understand wolf_. What I'm saying is that MRC is over representative of OCM and Woomb news. Simple as that. I don't put any values into the statement. Just accept that my objective view of things is different than yours (and more correct because its mine )

ok, as you please..

guess they are closer to that news then anyone... easier to post about what info is readily available from first hand...
the rest of the news has to come from other people pointing it out...

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* Imo, Bazix actually did a very childish thing when they got the MSX-MBox link in that magazine removed. This is not only immature but also questionable ethics and perhaps not even legal. A correct action would be to send a letter to the MSX-MBox people and ask them to remove any games for which Bazix have copyright or distribution righs for. I am absolutely sure this does notinclude all games shipped with MSX-MBox. * Bazix does not represent all companies that did MSX games in the 80's. I wonder if they even represent any game companies, but thats for snout or another Bazix representative to tell (I couldn't find any info on their website).

I have some comments on this part (note: I also consider myself neutral, I have nothing to do with Bazix or any other party in this, except that I'm a regular poster on MRC.):

• Why is it childish and immature to get that link removed? Stuff like MSX-MBOX threatens their business, isn't it logical then?
  
• Why is this unethical or illegal? In whichever way you look at it, the owners of the copyrights of 99.9% (or so) of the software in MSX-MBOX have not given permission to spread the software like that. So, anyone could notify anyone who is spreading that software about this. Most people/institutions with some name (e.g. ComputerIdee) would act on it and remove the software, as it's illegal to offer software for download of which you do not have the permission from the author (copyright holder) to do so. I don't think this has anything to do with what licenses Bazix has.
  
• Because Bazix has some of these licenses, and will probably get more (but of course not nearly by far all titles in MSX-MBOX), MSX-MBOX threatens their business, so, it's in their interest to send these (Cease&Desist in some cases) letters. But still: anyone can send those. Check the C&D topic in Wikipedia, e.g.
  
• So, Bazix doesn't need to be representing anyone to tell someone he is doing something illegal. Nor does anyone else.
  

You see that the above 4 points are actually only one point, but with a few minor differences in perspective. Anyway, I hope I make myself clear here.

The bottom line is: if you're spreading software you don't have the right to, you should not be surprised if someone tells you to stop it, because it's illegal. The thing is that in our community, this hasn't happened very often since 1993 or so. A downside of the commercial revival, I suppose; companies (Bazix, D4E, Konami, etc.) find it important again, after being silent for years.

Hey manuel, you also master the bullet list

yes... how do they do it....

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• now i got it...
  

nifty!!!

dvik - I paid attention when mth made MRC-mark-up-compliant (phpBB?) release notes

* Removing that link is like M$ requiring PC's to include Windows. Forcing a 3rd party entity to do something to gain advantage over something else is childish and unethical.
* Its unethical to manipulate 3rd parties instead of going to the source. The Magazine didn't do anything wrong
* Bazix has licenses and should ask MSX-Mbox to remove the affected games. I don't disagree.
* The Magazine didn't do anything illegal.

* Still struggling with the bullet lists

I fail to see the comparison of M$ requiring PC's to include Windows. You are correct that the magazine didn't do anything wrong or illegal. But the magazine did give a huge amount of attention to something that is illegal. In that sense, it becomes more harmful, so action was taken, of which I'm not surprised.

Again: if you know you're doing something illegal (host software that's not yours), you should be prepared that some day someone might say something about it. You should definately not start to whine, because someone did that. You're still doing something illegal. It's your risk. And if the thing that's not yours consists of thousands of software titles which are very easily accessible and installable, you make the risk that someone tells you to stop spreading it just a bit bigger.
And if you're then a magazine that links to that thing, you can expect the magazine to get contacted as well...

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I think the reason why you see a bigger part of the news being OCM or Woomb here than in other forums is because of the connection with Bazix

I think this is quite a load of bull. MRC posts about -all- MSX news, and is enthusiastic about -almost- everything. OCM and WOOMB are no exceptions. We have been doing so for more than 5 years now, so I'm quite offended by the term 'biased'. If you want to call us biased, propagandistic and overly-optimistic then you are completely right, but we are so about the entire MSX computer system and related news on the whole and not about OCM/WOOMB/revival news only. We just don't want to burn our fingers on warez, that's all.

So far for thread contributions from my side, I just got back home from the toughest 2 weeks of my life and will probably limit my MRC activity to posting news when I feel like it for the time being.