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CrazyBoss msx freak Berichten: 151 | Geplaatst: 24 Juli 2007, 22:18   |
Anyone really can give me a hint on this subject.
Now i got the diskdrive working.
My problem is the joystick port is faulty simple check from basic.
Stick(1) returns 3 with no joystick plugget
it also returns 3 if joystick insertet but not touch
it returns 0 if joystick press left
it returns 3 if press right
I didnt test if the firebutton works.
It must be a bad component some where any hint which one
The psg seems to work fine.
Maybe its the special spectravideo chips, they were made only for use in svi738, i think. If those are faulty its very hard to repair  because its no standard chips.
Any one ?
-Claus-
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NYYRIKKI msx master Berichten: 1525 | Geplaatst: 25 Juli 2007, 08:46   |
As there seems to be no one other, I try to help you.
First of all there is no such thing as "special spectravideo chips" in your computer. :-) I'm also almost sure, that there is nothing wrong with your chips if Joystick port 2 is working fine.
I suggest, that you take flashlight and check your joystic port 1. For me the problem seems that pins 4 and 8 are somehow touching each other. They are located physically next to each other so it seems logical. If the port is ok from the outside, check the inside. It might be a screw from the keyboard that has dropped off and sort circuited these pins or something.
With multimeter it should be easy for you to check if my diagnose is correct or not.
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CrazyBoss msx freak Berichten: 151 | Geplaatst: 25 Juli 2007, 11:59   |
Hi
Actually SVi 738 have two special made chips. In the past i had a SVI738, but in some way i burned one of those chips, so the Cartrigde slot didn work. Henrik Gilvad made a add-on to one of those Spectravideo chips, so it can work with cartrigde again, but the SCC sound didn work  it worked but the sound was very messy, then i sold the SVI738 back to him, and bough his A1ST turbo-R  So it is true there are two special Spectravideo-made chips in that mashine. Today i will check, the port  from outside noting is wrong, i can even plug in a joystick without "FORCE". Inside looks fine as far as i can see, but i take a better check later.
Anyone knows what electronc to controll the Joystick ports ? Someone sugested the PSG?
Or maybe the Z80 I/O ?
-Claus-
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jltursan msx professional Berichten: 886 | Geplaatst: 25 Juli 2007, 12:29   |
AFAIK the MSX PSG has some lines tied with the joystick ports; but I'm not sure if there're more ICs involved. Usually this kind of device suffers mechanical problems; so the way suggested by nyyrikki is the most reasonable; check first the continuity of every pin with a multimeter and be aware that most times the broken bit is hard to see  |
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CrazyBoss msx freak Berichten: 151 | Geplaatst: 25 Juli 2007, 22:43   |
hello
i checked in side and out side
no connection between 8 and 4
So must be some damaged electronic that thinks there are a connection
to be complete sure i just resolded alle the pins
no diffirence
just checked, firebutton works too and up and down works too
-claus-
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CrazyBoss msx freak Berichten: 151 | Geplaatst: 25 Juli 2007, 23:13   |
now i even changed the joystick port, i desoldered the old one, and soldered an old one from a Memotech MTX
The soldering seems very ok, no shortcuts still same result
Firebuton works.
Joystick port #2 seems to work 100%
Keyboard also.
There are some restores next to the joystick port, can it be a bad resistor?
-Claus-
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jltursan msx professional Berichten: 886 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 00:49   |
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| and soldered an old one from a Memotech MTX
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I really hope that the Memotech was a broken one...
Maybe broken tracks?, have you follow the tracks testing their continuity?. About the resistors, you can also check if they are blowed. |
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CrazyBoss msx freak Berichten: 151 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 10:16   |
Yes of cause, the MTX was a spare one  i have one working cause that is my first computer.
My History of homecomputers.....
Memotech MTX 512
SpectraVideo SVI 328
Yashika YC-64 MSX1
SpectraVideo SVI738 (Modified to MSX2 with 256kb)
Panasonic Turbo-R A1ST
And then PC's.
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NYYRIKKI msx master Berichten: 1525 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 12:54   |
Ok, if you are sure, that the connector is ok then we have to take one step further. Because Joystick port 2 is working fine this means, that PSG is ok. (same pins are used to read joystick 1 & 2) This means that only possible broken chip is IC47 (LS157) and I think that you have to replace that.
Before you start disconnecting this chip I suggest that you measure if there is a difference in input and output while reading joystick 1. The input and output state should be same between pin 14 (from joystick 1 right) and pin 12 (joystick X right to PSG)
If you want to take a look of the schematics, they can be found here:
http://www.msxarchive.nl/pub/msx/mirrors/hanso/hwmodsetc/svitechref.pdf
This stuff is on page 9
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Algorythms msx freak Berichten: 175 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 12:59   |
Bækkel!?
I've got most of the spare IC's for the 738, also the 2 special Spectravideo chips if you need 'em at a resonable price
Go Burgerklubben! |
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NYYRIKKI msx master Berichten: 1525 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 13:05   |
Hey I have actually a bit better idea... this way you don't need to replace the chip...
Cut the lines that are going to IC47 pins 12,13 and 14
Take a jump wire and connect these to same pins (12,13,14) in IC48
This should fix the problem.  |
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CrazyBoss msx freak Berichten: 151 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 15:14   |
Thanks NYYRIKKI  i will try that
To Algorythms  yes i am Mr. Bækkel yes and Brugerklubben rocks, but that is in the past  I lost almost any contacts to MSXBrugerklubben. Btw do i know you ?
Greetings from Claus Bækkel = CrazyBoss
bye bye. |
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jltursan msx professional Berichten: 886 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 15:21   |
Uuuuummm....maybe the originl fault was a illegal use of PSG#7  |
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CrazyBoss msx freak Berichten: 151 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 15:27   |
What is that PSG#7 ?
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Algorythms msx freak Berichten: 175 | Geplaatst: 26 Juli 2007, 15:42   |
I guess I know you better than you know me because of the Syntax articles. I'm Dan Isak Arneson from Norway. I attended the Norwegian fairs.
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