MSX.COM transfered to it's new owner...

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By tfh

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08-10-2010, 14:16

... and it's ONLINE!!! To bad it has been bought by another domain trading company:

http://www.msx.com

Registrant:

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/msx.com

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By spl

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08-10-2010, 15:27

These kind of domain trading companies should be ilegal...

By tfh

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08-10-2010, 21:11

These kind of domain trading companies should be ilegal...Why?

By spl

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09-10-2010, 01:36

These kind of domain trading companies should be ilegal...Why?

Speculation and most of then unethical practices:

"Not withstanding their sudden interest in charitable websites, their businessmodel and methods can often found to be unethical. For example; in one instance, they have snatched away a domainname pertaining to a Belgian website of a non-profitorganisation which was a nursery and daycare center for small children, due to it being two days too late to renew it. Afterwards, Sedo asked about a hundredfold of what the daycare center used to have to pay - which it declined, for the obvious reasons. Even more surprising; the same domainname in most other countries were still freely available, which may indicate that they knew full well, in advance, that there was already an organisation with this name in that country. But alas, even if it were possible to take juridic steps, the nursery would not have the means to pursue it."

This was on wikipedia and now it has dissapeared. If a domain gets free... it should be free for all. For example, I have two domains. If in some future one of them it's not renewed it should be FREE and hope these speculators won't buy it.

By tfh

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09-10-2010, 13:55

Well, the example you mention is not nice. And it's not that hard to take legal action in such cases. There is quite some decisional law in that matter. A lot of companies have defended their market names that way.

But can you tell me the difference between these 2 examples:

* Sedo buys MSX.COM for let's say 5000 euro's and wait for someon to make a nice offer and enjoys its proffit
* Someone buys a painting at an auction, stores it for a couples of years and then sels it again fo profit.

That same happens with real-estate, and even normal stuff. A lot of people live from buying stuff "cheap" and selling them for profit on eBay or whatever. This is a normal economic thing that happens in a free market.
Sure, it drives the price of nice domains sky high, but I'd also like to have a van Gogh on the wall here for just 15 euro's.....

By Warchild

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10-10-2010, 18:48

tfh, I think the example of a painting auction is not the same that occurs with domains. You buy a painting. And that's all. You sell it. That's all. But this people (and many others) buy domain names that clearly fit with names of organizations, music bands, company names... that's more close to a robbery than to an invest. Imagine that:

You are the owner of a store. Your store is called "TFH Solutions" for example. Some one that have no relation with nothing called "TFH Solutions" buys "tfh-solutions.com" and other similar domains. Did that person have a dream about something called TFH Solutions?. Probably not. Just planned to make you pay if you want a domain for your page that have something to do with your store name. And not a little money, of course. Sure you'll have another view of that then. I remember when Jethro Tull opened their website, they found someone had registered a sort of domains like jethrotull.com and so... and wanted huge money for his "van gogh". So they named the band web as j-tull.com, that was free. Sure there are a lot of examples like that.

"Free Market" make us no more than "Slave Consumers" Sad Just because by "free" a lot of people think "no laws, no ethics, everybody can do what ever want just to pick up some money, and if others do, why not me too?". But we can paint our own Van Goh for less than 15€
Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

By Tanni

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10-10-2010, 20:05

Fully second you, Warchild!

Concerning the ''have a dream about'' part: Who really needs to have a real van Gogh on the wall? Would you be able to ensure that that picture would be fully sheltered form harm or robbery? A museum can do that, but hardly a private person. So, for the ''well-being'' of the original, you should better be content with just a copy.

Already existing companies and other organisations should have had their respective domain names reserved, for the reasons Warchild mentioned. There already existed laws concerning the naming of companies and products, so why not reserving appropriate domain names right from the beginning?

By tfh

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11-10-2010, 07:59

@Warchild: As I already said. If you have the right to a certain domain due to the fact you have a business with that name, it's really not that hard to get your hands on it. But if you start a band these days and are stupid enough not to register the name, well.. that's quite stupid Smile
What you and Tanni seem to want, is completely against free economic rules. Are you also willing to pay the consequences that come with that?

By snout

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11-10-2010, 09:02

tfh: FYI Jethro Tull has been around for quite a tad :P

By Tanni

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11-10-2010, 11:50

@Warchild: ... What you and Tanni seem to want, is completely against free economic rules. Are you also willing to pay the consequences that come with that?

Free economic rules? Isn't that a contradiction in itself?

There must be rules, especially in economics, that's clear. If there wouldn't be some, we would soon end up in a monopoly. Remember the issues with Microsoft back then. What at least I want is that everyone with good reasons for it (company, organisation and that like) should have the right to have it's own, adequately named domain, especially if it is an company, organisation, band (e.g Jethro Tull) which already existed before the arrival of the internet. That's quite fair, I think. (You can't expect band members to constantly check all kind of publications, RFCs etc. to find out if there's somthing new affecting the legal issues concerning a band.) Is there a domain .band or something like that? It would be easy to have some reserved domains for certain purposes. So only if somebody really runs a band, he could have an approbriate domain name. Some names are unique, it doesn't make sense if they would be reused or used in another context. Domains like jethrotull.com only make sense if they belong to the respective persons, bands etc. and otherwise are worthless. I don't think that's against ''free economic rules''.

If someone spent much money to collect domain names for speculative purposes, then he makes himself dependend on the ones who ''naturally'' should own that domain names. This may work in some cases, but not in all. After all, it's quite stupid, I think.

By Warchild

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11-10-2010, 20:29

Against free economic rules? I feel better then, as looking at this world I realize that free economic rules are against free human being... just look around, there's a world in crisis! Or that's what they say. They show you a graphic with a line pointing down and say: "that's a crisis, so you maybe will lost your job, your house or your dignity. Maybe all three. Meanwhile we'll pick up some money from your goverments just because the world will explode if we don't do it". But if you look at the graphics from, let's say, the last 20 years... then you'll find that "we, the world" are now a lot more rich than then. Well, or just 1% of the world. And always the same 1%. Rules and laws are made by companies and enterprises that pay goverments or directly form part of them. And domain name affairs are just a joke in capitalism actitude. Can anybody explain why a company like Facebook, for example, it's valued in houndreds or thousand millions when no one have to pay for use it? Where is suposed to be the benefit? That big benefit! Facebook doesn't produces anything. So no part of the benefits revert on making us living a bit better, and facebook, as most companies in any economic area, doesn't move the world, just move money. Because they've decided free market rules are just for that. And we the people defend them just because they added the word "free" to the word "market". But we can pass crisis time putting pictures in our facebooks. We can't escape of all that as everybody asumes this is the "normal" way the world goes on. You can maybe minimize the impact in your own life, but you're involved as all the system is on it. I myself, I'm drinking a coke while writing this Tongue

TFH: I think you have really find the question to do: "Are you also willing to pay the consecuence that come with that?"

We can see the consecuences of this freedom everyday on TV... but we still prefer thinking that all we can do is turn it off. And it seems like we need someone telling us from up there: "hey, you're free to do what your doing" or "hey, you're free to not do nothing". The consecuence to agree with those kind of practices may seem less than nothing to you. But modern wars, and many not as modern, heve been done in the name of this kind of freedom. But not to help people to be free. Maybe we can't do nothing to change that world rules right today, and it will be not easy while free market rules are defended with more passion than human rights by our goverments (that says a lot of what "freedom" means for all them: freedom to make money). But we've let them do.

So, right now, I prefer "www.free-msx.com" than "www.msx.com" LOL! Sure is cheaper!!!

Sorry for all that, it went too much close to the offtopic in the thread I think... but the bank is pushing me!!! oO Are there any free helping rules?

Hey! There's more talking about Jethro Tull in this thread than on the radio last years!

Free Radio Rules too? Tongue No... they're just too old to rock'n'roll Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

LOL!

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