Philips NMS-8245 and SD-512 - will it work?

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Par hamlet

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24-12-2019, 23:32

Found this in the thread mentioned:

		MFR-SCC+SD     	Carnivore2	Gr8net               Flahjacks
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Extra memory	512kb(optional)	1024kb		1024kb               16384kb
SCC type	SCC/SCC+	SCC/SCC+	SCC/SCC+.            Double SCC/SCC+   
MSX-Audio	-		-		yes.                 yes
MSX-Music	-		yes		yes.                 yes
Networking	-		-		yes.                 - 
FlashROM	yes		yes		FlashRAM/Flashrom.   Quad 4Mb Flashrom/ram
Removable 	MicroSD		CF		Microsd.             SD and MicroSd
Additional	-		audio-out/psg	audio-out/Mp3.       More, more and more  

Par Wierzbowsky

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25-12-2019, 04:50

Carnivore2 also has 720kb of RAM to load games beside the base 1024kb RAM with mapper.
It also has SRAM emulation for FMPAC. MicroSD card can be used in the CF-to-SD adapter.

Par Manuel

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24-12-2019, 23:57

And MFR-SCC+SD also has an extra PSG, which isn't mentioned.
And the prices aren't mentioned, alas. And the "More, more and more" doesn't seem to be entirely clear, nor objective ;-)

Par Grauw

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25-12-2019, 00:14

If it’s on the wiki it can be corrected, updated and expanded.

The FlashROM row should be changed to ROM mapper. MFR and C2 have 8 MB FlashROM. GR8NET does not have FlashROM but it can use its 1 MB RAM for it. Ditto for FlashJacks.

Also there should be columns for “MSX noob friendliness” and availability.

Par hamlet

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25-12-2019, 00:11

Just take this as a basis for a comparative table. This was a fan made quick overview, as you remember. It has been in the thread I mentioned before.

Par Pencioner

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25-12-2019, 00:16

Manuel wrote:

And MFR-SCC+SD also has an extra PSG, which isn't mentioned.
And the prices aren't mentioned, alas. And the "More, more and more" doesn't seem to be entirely clear, nor objective ;-)

Carnivore 2 and GR8NET also has an extra PSG (port configurable between standard and 10h base which MFR initially used for second PSG)

FlashJacks's has dual DCSG chip emulation, Covox and tR compatible PCM, saving RAM block after reboot feature (good for debugging etc), etc

Par hamlet

Scribe (4105)

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25-12-2019, 00:27

I am a great friend of a clear comparison. Why not edit the table?

Par Pencioner

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25-12-2019, 04:49

hamlet wrote:

I am a great friend of a clear comparison. Why not edit the table?

OK here we go:

                 MFR-SCC+SD       Carnivore2        Gr8net               Flahjacks         SD/MMC v4
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Noob frendly      yes             yes               -                    yes                yes
SofaRUN support   yes             yes               yes                  -                  -
File media        MicroSD         CF (******)       MicroSD              SD                 MicroSD
Memory mapper     512K(option)    1024K             1024K                16384K             512K
SCC type          SCC/SCC+        SCC/SCC+          SCC/SCC+             x2 SCC/SCC+        SCC/SCC+ w/128K RAM
Extra PSG         yes             yes               yes                  yes (x2)           -
SN76489           -               -                 -                    yes                yes (real chip on board)
MSX-Audio         -               -                 yes                  yes                -
MSX-Music         -               yes               yes                  yes                -
Networking        -               -                 yes                  -                  -
FlashROM          8M              8M                yes (****)           -                  4M
Flash/Mega RAM    -               720K              1M                   x4 4M              2M
SRAM support      -               yes (*****)       -                    yes                yes
Ext. audiojack    -               yes               yes                  yes (**)           -
PCM               -               -                 yes                  yes (Covox/tR)     yes (Covox)
DSK emulation     yes+Nextor      Nextor only       yes+Nextor           yes+Nextor         yes (no Nextor)
Additional                        Internal mixer(*) Mp3 player           OPL3               Audio player
                                                    Video player         PCM                Video player
                                                    Networking           RAM save           Virtualization (***)
                                                    Internal mixer(*)    Internal mixer(*)  CAS emulation
                                                                                            KANJI rom (***)


Notes:

(*) C2, GR8NET, and FJ have very configurable audio mixer for tuning volume of internal sound sources.
GR8NET also have support of panning particular source to left or right channel only

(**) FlashJacks also has audio input and can mix its sound sources with external input. So you can route sound
from i.e. SFG and mix it with internal PSG without extenal mixer

(***) SD/MMC has a virtualization mode, called GameRunner II where you can run your game in semi-vrtualized
environment (PPI/slo selection is emulated), and choose type of computer (MSX1/2/2+ and JP/KR/EU) and include
KANJI ROM if it is used in game. This mode also has CAS emulation so you can save your game progress if game
supports saving to casette. You can also save a complete runiing state and start from it, though it is not
working with every game (but with most)

(****) With GR8NET you can create a ROM collections and save to free space in flash chip alongside the firmware
for further use, though process is a little bit complicated. But with recent batch which uses 16M flash chips
it is very useful

(*****) The SRAM data is stored in the cartridge's RAM, not in FlashROM. So, if the battery or goldcap is not
present on board (and by default it isn't), powering off MSX will destroy this data. There's a utility to save/load
SRAM data, so important data can be preserved and loaded back when necessary

(******) The SD cards can be used in Carnivore2 with the special CF-to-SD adapter. Dual card adapter also works,
but only with one MicroSD card

Par Wierzbowsky

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25-12-2019, 04:43

One important note about Carnivore's SRAM emulation - the data is stored in RAM, not in FlashROM. So, if the battery or goldcap is not present on board (and by default it isn't), powering off MSX will destroy this data. There's a utility to save/load SRAM data, so important data can be preserved and loaded back when necessary. I updated the table.

Par sdsnatcher73

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25-12-2019, 07:00

This deserves to be in the Wiki. Maybe the Flash Cartridges page can be renamed because these cartridges are so much more (as the table shows) and all this info can be added then as well as to the individual pages of each cartridge (some don’t even have one).

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