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Van sdsnatcher73

Prophet (3810)

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14-02-2022, 13:27

So you just put it back? Do you have a CF-3000? I do and the matrix is not as it is shown…. Cool

Van Grauw

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14-02-2022, 13:56

I know it is listed on the wiki page for the machines as well, but it could be good to list under each matrix a comma separated list of machines for which they have been confirmed. Both keep a record and give the reader some pointers which machines they would need to look at for a specific key matrix.

Van gdx

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14-02-2022, 14:03

It was not me who confirmed it. I do not have CF-3000. Since it only has Katakana on the keyboard, I thought the source is correct but if you tested it yourself, I was wrong.

Van Grauw

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14-02-2022, 14:16

sdsnatcher73 wrote:

So you just put it back? Do you have a CF-3000? I do and the matrix is not as it is shown…. Cool

I spot three differences in the matrices of the said CF-3000 one and the 50on one:

  • Whether SHIFT 7 produces a ' or a `
  • Whether SHIFT ; produces a + or a '
  • Whether SHIFT - produces a ° or a =

Then, if I look at the pictures on the National CF-3000 wiki page I see:

  • The SHIFT 7 print shows ' (CF-3000 matrix)
  • The SHIFT ; print shows + (CF-3000 matrix)
  • The SHIFT - print shows = (50on matrix)

Maybe there are different versions of the CF-3000? Or maybe the print on the keys is wrong?

Van sdsnatcher73

Prophet (3810)

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14-02-2022, 15:40

It’s just human error Wink I started with the JIS layout to create the 50on layout using the FS-A1. Then I noticed the similarities to the CF-3000 and decided to get that machine from the attic as well. These 3 keys seem to differ from JIS… I have added photos of the 3 keys on the 2 machines confirming on this part the original CF-3000 table was correct.


But both machines are still identical with respect to keyboard matrix.

Van sdsnatcher73

Prophet (3810)

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14-02-2022, 16:14

Working on GRAPH for JIS now, have to start cooking so will finish lateron...

Van sdsnatcher73

Prophet (3810)

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14-02-2022, 17:20

GRAPH for JIS is done, I will do GRAPH for 50on tomorrow. And I will also do international layout (e.g. NMS8245/00 because I sold my last one of those and need to ship it).

Van Manuel

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14-02-2022, 19:31

Manuel wrote:

Just repeating here: all the keyboard matrices in the first 5 rows, including the characters they produce with key combinations, can be derived from these files: https://github.com/openMSX/openMSX/tree/master/share/unicode...
It would be nice if the missing International matrix was added at least. Also note that there is no need to add png files for some symbols. All symbols have a unicode mapping, see https://www.kreativekorp.com/charset/encoding/ under Legacy Computing - MSX. (The combination of keymatrix and character set is in these unicode map files. You can see in the MSX machine XML file which machine has which keymatrix and character set.)

Am I talking crap here? Or what is the reason this seems to be ignored?

Van sdsnatcher73

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14-02-2022, 20:11

That it can be done does not necessarily mean it’s easier. Or even better. How were these files created. Have they been verified. There seems no handling of exceptions (like the return key on the FS5000‘s numeric pad).

Van Grauw

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14-02-2022, 20:32

I think it’s good to have two sources, and then cross-check them against each other.

As for the new Unicode mappings, there is a code point for it now but I imagine it will take a while for them to be absorbed in the fonts that are available on each system. E.g. on my Mac, a lot of the characters in the MSX International category on that site show up but about a dozen of them have empty codepoint-boxes still.

Still it’s cool and I was thinking the other day of perhaps adding support for Unicode to MSX (or other Z80 system) character mappings to Glass assembler.

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